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31 Jul 2017, 10:02 pm

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So what we get a bunch of guns and equipment for the military while things like the infrastructure, environment and social safety net get neglected?

Yes.

Also, transgender soldiers cost too much, so they have to be kicked out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/p ... itary.html


We're talking about a tiny segment of the military, so allotting money to transitional surgery isn't going to break the bank.

Yeah, its statistically insignificant compared to a 69 billion dollar increase. So much so that perhaps Trump is joking.


Sarcasm?



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31 Jul 2017, 10:03 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
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So what we get a bunch of guns and equipment for the military while things like the infrastructure, environment and social safety net get neglected?

Yes.

Also, transgender soldiers cost too much, so they have to be kicked out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/p ... itary.html


We're talking about a tiny segment of the military, so allotting money to transitional surgery isn't going to break the bank.

Yeah, its statistically insignificant compared to a 69 billion dollar increase. So much so that perhaps Trump is joking.


Or more likely, he's talking out of his a$$, like he does when he doesn't know what he's talking about.


In other words, all the time.



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31 Jul 2017, 10:07 pm

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Ask the average American if he or she is getting richer - you can even show that data - and you'll still be told it isn't true.

Sure, nearly everyone feels poor.

Ordinary middle class baby boomer American has a ...

-500k home
-4 million dollar pension
-250k in investments
-250k in assets
-200k in their 401k ....

And despite that 5+ million in assets ... feels poor.

The truth is that these people are mega-rich.


What alternative reality are you living in?



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31 Jul 2017, 10:09 pm

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America is in decline, but not because we don't spend enough on the military. It's in decline because of the widening gulf between the rich and poor, the stagnation or even loss of wages, the loss of a manufacturing base, a crumbling infrastructure, a bad educational system, and the rejection of intellectualism by a large segment of the population, etc. Let's give those other things money, or at least attention, in order to offset America's decline.


That's a lot of noise that people don't care about.


No, they are the things that YOU don't care about.



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31 Jul 2017, 10:19 pm

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George Friedman of Stratfor and geopolitical futures disagrees and argues, the american empire is just in its beginnings. Yes, it has internal struggles, and it hasn't been successful lately in absird attempts to create outposts in the middle east, but, he says, it's a young empire, and it doesn't really want to be one.


The Persian Empire was only about 200 years old when it collapsed. Youth is no guarantee of longevity. Empires come and go, and some last a long time (like the Roman), but others quickly wither and die. Your comment about it not really "wanting to be one" is utterly hilarious (and delusional).

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But the US is the country in control of the major oceans which seperate it from potential enemies and can project its power wherever it wants on the planet. It has no rivals.


No rivals? How about everyone else on the planet? Your oceans will not protect you as they did during the two world wars from the weapons that now exist. In order to destroy your country an invasion would simply not be necessary; there are other methods now available to accomplish this task.



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31 Jul 2017, 10:25 pm

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Whys the Soviet Union on that graph? It dissolved in 1991


Yes, and according to that graph it spends zero dollars on defence. Well, I guess a nation that doesn't exist would spend about that much.



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31 Jul 2017, 10:30 pm

Look, could you Americans just get it over and done with. The collapse of your country, that is. I'm getting impatient, and so are most people in the world today. We've had enough of your positively psychopathic behaviour, calling yourself "indispensable" (yeah, right) and "the world's policeman". No one outside your dominion cares about your "values" (like the utterly depraved one about having "the right to bear arms"), and we just want you to simply go away!

I don't like Mr. Trump at all, but I DO like the fact that his hypocrisy, incompetence and lack of intelligence is hastening your decline like nothing before. If I were to meet him I would say, "Keep up the good job, you're doing splendidly!" :mrgreen:



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31 Jul 2017, 10:53 pm

Lintar wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
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Ask the average American if he or she is getting richer - you can even show that data - and you'll still be told it isn't true.

Sure, nearly everyone feels poor.

Ordinary middle class baby boomer American has a ...

-500k home
-4 million dollar pension
-250k in investments
-250k in assets
-200k in their 401k ....

And despite that 5+ million in assets ... feels poor.

The truth is that these people are mega-rich.


What alternative reality are you living in?


It's called 'Keeping up with the Joneses".

"people care about their standard of living in relation to their peers"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_u ... he_Joneses



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01 Aug 2017, 12:17 am

Lintar wrote:
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America is in decline, but not because we don't spend enough on the military. It's in decline because of the widening gulf between the rich and poor, the stagnation or even loss of wages, the loss of a manufacturing base, a crumbling infrastructure, a bad educational system, and the rejection of intellectualism by a large segment of the population, etc. Let's give those other things money, or at least attention, in order to offset America's decline.


Hey, once again we agree! The amount of money that is WASTED on the U.S. military, while half the country is starving to death or dying from treatable conditions because they can't afford "insurance", is simply criminal. Hell, with all of those rednecks, survivalists, NRA members and so on armed to the teeth with AK-47's and SAM's, does the U.S. even need a military? Are you people seriously worried about being invaded by Canada or Cuba?


I'm more worried about that psycho with the bad haircut in North Korea. If he's serious about bombing America (and it's difficult to tell with crazy people), then we'll be finally completing the Korean War.
Yes, I'm happy we agree - but as I recall, this was not the first time.
As for a standing army, I prefer having a professional army to a bunch of ill-trained, probably drunk yahoos.


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01 Aug 2017, 12:53 am

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The elites are feeling woozy.
Their boat is rocking.

TIP.
IT.
OVER.

Since the U.S. freed Cuba and the Phillipines it ceased to have an "empire". As imperialist nations go, the U.S. is not even a second rate imperialist. The U.S. exerts most of its soft power in trade associations, not in occupying and governing colonies. Colonies are soooo 19 th century.


The U.S. still occupies Hawaii, Puerto Rico and Alaska. The "wild West" was pilfered from Mexico during the early-to-mid 19th century, and the land currently called Texas was absorbed into the Evil Empire after the state was flooded with settlers who thought it to be no big deal to attempt to secede from a nation (i.e. the aforementioned Mexico) when their numbers grew disproportionately large (hmmm, much like the Russians did in Crimea - you guys set the standard when it comes to irredentism).

The U.S. military has more bases in foreign lands than all other nations put together, so yes, it truly IS an empire.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=U.S ... ORM=HDRSC2


Hawaii isn't occupied they vote to become a state. And as for the others, the Spanish stole Mexico from the aztecs, who stole it from other tribes, who stole it from other tribes and so on and so on, every single nation on this planet has a blood stained history of conquering lands, it's how nations are formed. Non one on this planet has a clean history. It's been going on since humans first existed and will continue for long time. It's gotten lot less active though in modern times.



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01 Aug 2017, 12:56 am

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Look, could you Americans just get it over and done with. The collapse of your country, that is. I'm getting impatient, and so are most people in the world today. We've had enough of your positively psychopathic behaviour, calling yourself "indispensable" (yeah, right) and "the world's policeman". No one outside your dominion cares about your "values" (like the utterly depraved one about having "the right to bear arms"), and we just want you to simply go away!

I don't like Mr. Trump at all, but I DO like the fact that his hypocrisy, incompetence and lack of intelligence is hastening your decline like nothing before. If I were to meet him I would say, "Keep up the good job, you're doing splendidly!" :mrgreen:

Suppose your Australians will handle China's expanding military and territorial ideas alone? Or when/ if Chinese troops land in your nation and defeat your tiny military will you call the UN for help? Who makes up the majority of the UN Forces? We have a huge budget cause our allies slack and let us cover the costs of defense of Asia and Europe.
I for one am in favor of cutting military funding in exchange we cut all alliances with any nations outside of North America. Let Europe handle the Russians and Asia fall under the control of china.



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Kraichgauer wrote:
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America is in decline, but not because we don't spend enough on the military. It's in decline because of the widening gulf between the rich and poor, the stagnation or even loss of wages, the loss of a manufacturing base, a crumbling infrastructure, a bad educational system, and the rejection of intellectualism by a large segment of the population, etc. Let's give those other things money, or at least attention, in order to offset America's decline.


Hey, once again we agree! The amount of money that is WASTED on the U.S. military, while half the country is starving to death or dying from treatable conditions because they can't afford "insurance", is simply criminal. Hell, with all of those rednecks, survivalists, NRA members and so on armed to the teeth with AK-47's and SAM's, does the U.S. even need a military? Are you people seriously worried about being invaded by Canada or Cuba?


I'm more worried about that psycho with the bad haircut in North Korea. If he's serious about bombing America (and it's difficult to tell with crazy people), then we'll be finally completing the Korean War.
Yes, I'm happy we agree - but as I recall, this was not the first time.
As for a standing army, I prefer having a professional army to a bunch of ill-trained, probably drunk yahoos.


Not if we pull out , he'll probably just nuke Japan and Australia, to ensure they stay out of the Korean War, then shell soul killing millions, followed by advancing his far greater number and Russian armed troops south against a weakened South Korea without friends to support them. Unified Korea will be formed under the grand leadership of Kim jung what ever number he is. Sure their be sanctions for the nuking of Japan and Australia but without us support I doubt any nation would attempt to invade Korea with force, help china might use that chance to put an end to the South China Sea debate but obiliating the combined fleets of Vietnam, Philippines and the other nations who have a international legit claim to their waters off their coast. In fact I say the USA should ally with Russia and china, split the world up crest a tirade alliance. :roll:
China and nk and to point Russia want to control larger parts of the world then they do today. Only thing stopping them is usa military presence. Take out all support of the USA and what is stopping them? They've already shown their fleets in South China Sea dominated the other nations navies. Russia actively seems troops into Eastern Europe nations. I don't see any real threat to China's forces in Asia. Does Australia even have nukes?china has a s**t ton. And they violat international law every day in favor of their empiral claims thousands of years ago. But wait the current Chinese government is the communist who rose up and over threw the government who had those claims long after they lost them to Japanese expansion. No the us has made mistakes, but would the world really be better without us to keep china and Russia in their places?



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sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Lintar wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
America is in decline, but not because we don't spend enough on the military. It's in decline because of the widening gulf between the rich and poor, the stagnation or even loss of wages, the loss of a manufacturing base, a crumbling infrastructure, a bad educational system, and the rejection of intellectualism by a large segment of the population, etc. Let's give those other things money, or at least attention, in order to offset America's decline.


Hey, once again we agree! The amount of money that is WASTED on the U.S. military, while half the country is starving to death or dying from treatable conditions because they can't afford "insurance", is simply criminal. Hell, with all of those rednecks, survivalists, NRA members and so on armed to the teeth with AK-47's and SAM's, does the U.S. even need a military? Are you people seriously worried about being invaded by Canada or Cuba?


I'm more worried about that psycho with the bad haircut in North Korea. If he's serious about bombing America (and it's difficult to tell with crazy people), then we'll be finally completing the Korean War.
Yes, I'm happy we agree - but as I recall, this was not the first time.
As for a standing army, I prefer having a professional army to a bunch of ill-trained, probably drunk yahoos.


Not if we pull out , he'll probably just nuke Japan and Australia, to ensure they stay out of the Korean War, then shell soul killing millions, followed by advancing his far greater number and Russian armed troops south against a weakened South Korea without friends to support them. Unified Korea will be formed under the grand leadership of Kim jung what ever number he is. Sure their be sanctions for the nuking of Japan and Australia but without us support I doubt any nation would attempt to invade Korea with force, help china might use that chance to put an end to the South China Sea debate but obiliating the combined fleets of Vietnam, Philippines and the other nations who have a international legit claim to their waters off their coast. In fact I say the USA should ally with Russia and china, split the world up crest a tirade alliance. :roll:
China and nk and to point Russia want to control larger parts of the world then they do today. Only thing stopping them is usa military presence. Take out all support of the USA and what is stopping them? They've already shown their fleets in South China Sea dominated the other nations navies. Russia actively seems troops into Eastern Europe nations. I don't see any real threat to China's forces in Asia. Does Australia even have nukes?china has a s**t ton. And they violat international law every day in favor of their empiral claims thousands of years ago. But wait the current Chinese government is the communist who rose up and over threw the government who had those claims long after they lost them to Japanese expansion. No the us has made mistakes, but would the world really be better without us to keep china and Russia in their places?


While America has done bad things in the past, I think things would be considerably worse without our presence overseas.
I think we need to stick with South Korea, Japan, and Australia, as they are friends, and you gotta stick with your friends.
The Israelis had bombed the Iraqi nuclear plant decades ago when their intelligence revealed how Saddam Hussein was constructing a nuclear weapon intended for use against Israel. Perhaps we should take a page out of their book concerning North Korea. I know, China will bluster and shout, but I suspect they would rest easier knowing that that loon with the bad haircut doesn't have nuclear warheads anymore. Then again, it might just get us all killed.


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01 Aug 2017, 8:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Lintar wrote:
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America is in decline, but not because we don't spend enough on the military. It's in decline because of the widening gulf between the rich and poor, the stagnation or even loss of wages, the loss of a manufacturing base, a crumbling infrastructure, a bad educational system, and the rejection of intellectualism by a large segment of the population, etc. Let's give those other things money, or at least attention, in order to offset America's decline.


Hey, once again we agree! The amount of money that is WASTED on the U.S. military, while half the country is starving to death or dying from treatable conditions because they can't afford "insurance", is simply criminal. Hell, with all of those rednecks, survivalists, NRA members and so on armed to the teeth with AK-47's and SAM's, does the U.S. even need a military? Are you people seriously worried about being invaded by Canada or Cuba?


I'm more worried about that psycho with the bad haircut in North Korea. If he's serious about bombing America (and it's difficult to tell with crazy people), then we'll be finally completing the Korean War.
Yes, I'm happy we agree - but as I recall, this was not the first time.
As for a standing army, I prefer having a professional army to a bunch of ill-trained, probably drunk yahoos.


Not if we pull out , he'll probably just nuke Japan and Australia, to ensure they stay out of the Korean War, then shell soul killing millions, followed by advancing his far greater number and Russian armed troops south against a weakened South Korea without friends to support them. Unified Korea will be formed under the grand leadership of Kim jung what ever number he is. Sure their be sanctions for the nuking of Japan and Australia but without us support I doubt any nation would attempt to invade Korea with force, help china might use that chance to put an end to the South China Sea debate but obiliating the combined fleets of Vietnam, Philippines and the other nations who have a international legit claim to their waters off their coast. In fact I say the USA should ally with Russia and china, split the world up crest a tirade alliance. :roll:
China and nk and to point Russia want to control larger parts of the world then they do today. Only thing stopping them is usa military presence. Take out all support of the USA and what is stopping them? They've already shown their fleets in South China Sea dominated the other nations navies. Russia actively seems troops into Eastern Europe nations. I don't see any real threat to China's forces in Asia. Does Australia even have nukes?china has a s**t ton. And they violat international law every day in favor of their empiral claims thousands of years ago. But wait the current Chinese government is the communist who rose up and over threw the government who had those claims long after they lost them to Japanese expansion. No the us has made mistakes, but would the world really be better without us to keep china and Russia in their places?


While America has done bad things in the past, I think things would be considerably worse without our presence overseas.
I think we need to stick with South Korea, Japan, and Australia, as they are friends, and you gotta stick with your friends.
The Israelis had bombed the Iraqi nuclear plant decades ago when their intelligence revealed how Saddam Hussein was constructing a nuclear weapon intended for use against Israel. Perhaps we should take a page out of their book concerning North Korea. I know, China will bluster and shout, but I suspect they would rest easier knowing that that loon with the bad haircut doesn't have nuclear warheads anymore. Then again, it might just get us all killed.


Even if they shout and throw a tantrum demanding we don't help them?



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George Friedman of Stratfor and geopolitical futures disagrees and argues, the american empire is just in its beginnings. Yes, it has internal struggles, and it hasn't been successful lately in absird attempts to create outposts in the middle east, but, he says, it's a young empire, and it doesn't really want to be one.


The Persian Empire was only about 200 years old when it collapsed. Youth is no guarantee of longevity. Empires come and go, and some last a long time (like the Roman), but others quickly wither and die. Your comment about it not really "wanting to be one" is utterly hilarious (and delusional).

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But the US is the country in control of the major oceans which seperate it from potential enemies and can project its power wherever it wants on the planet. It has no rivals.


No rivals? How about everyone else on the planet? Your oceans will not protect you as they did during the two world wars from the weapons that now exist. In order to destroy your country an invasion would simply not be necessary; there are other methods now available to accomplish this task.


The US not wanting to be an empire is not my comment, but george friedman's. And personally, I guess he's right. The US are not decidedly imperial, but rather reluctantly. They're not occupying countries like they did after WW2, they're just meddling with internal affairs... The occupation in Iraq and afghanistan is really half-hearted, which is in part why the situation is such a mess there.
It just doesn't compare with a British Raj.
And the US doesn't want to make the effort of a raj.

Furthermore: any country trying to attack the US needs to travel via the oceans, or needs to launch intercontinental missiles.
US missiles however are stationed basically everywhere, and any place can be bombed by them within minutes.
So... Let me know how that sitiation changed since the cuban missile crisis...

And finally: the world is full of enemies of the US, but not a single one is a serious challenger.
We'll see. ... Japan and Turkey have massive, modern armies.


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sly279 wrote:
Lintar wrote:
BaalChatzaf wrote:
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The elites are feeling woozy.
Their boat is rocking.

TIP.
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OVER.

Since the U.S. freed Cuba and the Phillipines it ceased to have an "empire". As imperialist nations go, the U.S. is not even a second rate imperialist. The U.S. exerts most of its soft power in trade associations, not in occupying and governing colonies. Colonies are soooo 19 th century.


The U.S. still occupies Hawaii, Puerto Rico and Alaska. The "wild West" was pilfered from Mexico during the early-to-mid 19th century, and the land currently called Texas was absorbed into the Evil Empire after the state was flooded with settlers who thought it to be no big deal to attempt to secede from a nation (i.e. the aforementioned Mexico) when their numbers grew disproportionately large (hmmm, much like the Russians did in Crimea - you guys set the standard when it comes to irredentism).

The U.S. military has more bases in foreign lands than all other nations put together, so yes, it truly IS an empire.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=U.S ... ORM=HDRSC2


Hawaii isn't occupied they vote to become a state. And as for the others, the Spanish stole Mexico from the aztecs, who stole it from other tribes, who stole it from other tribes and so on and so on, every single nation on this planet has a blood stained history of conquering lands, it's how nations are formed. Non one on this planet has a clean history. It's been going on since humans first existed and will continue for long time. It's gotten lot less active though in modern times.


Okay, have it your way. Most of the globe was at some point in time "stolen" from someone else, so I guess that's a point to be made.