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17 Aug 2017, 12:12 pm

OP, are you going to listen to what people are saying, or just keep putting out rhetoric?

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17 Aug 2017, 12:19 pm

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OP, are you going to listen to what people are saying, or just keep putting out rhetoric?

The last time Americans insisted upon appeasing Nazis, we had a Holocaust.

There already was one attempted mass murder, and even after that, some of you are crying out for Nazi rights.

You honestly do not see anything wrong with that?

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17 Aug 2017, 12:23 pm

KagamineLen wrote:

Drake wrote:

OP, are you going to listen to what people are saying, or just keep putting out rhetoric?

Universal rights. That includes everyone. That's what makes it work.

One murderer, one arrest. He will be brought to justice. The rest didn't kill anyone. Or try to.

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17 Aug 2017, 12:26 pm

Drake wrote:

KagamineLen wrote:

Drake wrote:

OP, are you going to listen to what people are saying, or just keep putting out rhetoric?

Universal rights. That includes everyone. That's what makes it work.

One murderer, one arrest. He will be brought to justice. The rest didn't kill anyone. Or try to.

I hope I am still alive to say "I told you so" when the mass murder attempts at the hand of Nazis become more of a daily commonplace occurrence in my country

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17 Aug 2017, 12:33 pm

KagamineLen wrote:

Drake wrote:

KagamineLen wrote:

Drake wrote:

OP, are you going to listen to what people are saying, or just keep putting out rhetoric?

Universal rights. That includes everyone. That's what makes it work.

One murderer, one arrest. He will be brought to justice. The rest didn't kill anyone. Or try to.

I hope I am still alive to say "I told you so" when the mass murder attempts at the hand of Nazis become more of a daily commonplace occurrence in my country

I don't think this is a realistic possibility. And if it did happen, then the group would be dealt with as enemies of America. They wouldn't last long.

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17 Aug 2017, 12:37 pm

Drake wrote:

KagamineLen wrote:

Drake wrote:

KagamineLen wrote:

Drake wrote:

OP, are you going to listen to what people are saying, or just keep putting out rhetoric?

Universal rights. That includes everyone. That's what makes it work.

One murderer, one arrest. He will be brought to justice. The rest didn't kill anyone. Or try to.

I hope I am still alive to say "I told you so" when the mass murder attempts at the hand of Nazis become more of a daily commonplace occurrence in my country

I don't think this is a realistic possibility. And if it did happen, then the group would be dealt with as enemies of America. They wouldn't last long.

Trump has already removed neo Nazis from the FBI watch list, and he ordered the FBI to procure a list of people who protested against him. Neo Nazis feeling encouraged enough to murder people on the street is more of a realistic possibility than many people are willing to realize

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17 Aug 2017, 1:45 pm

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@ adifferentname

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Antifa and their Progressive supporters would do well to remember the following:

- When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.

I think it's quite possible they are well aware of this. And are pushing the right the way they are in order to provoke a reaction in order to get the support behind them they want in order to get the action taken against them they want. I have felt this way for some time. These people operate by any means necessary. Also, in my past experiences with SJWs, I was set up in a similar way so I've been on the wrong end of such a tactic personally. You know, the crybully tactic.

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So many of you are insisting on pissing on soldiers of many nationalities who laid down their lives to prevent your extermination.

That is disgusting and disgraceful.

*Reaches up to pull you from your high horse*

Those soldiers you speak of would be pleased with the nazi factions being contained in the way are. Or were before antifa and the hard left started stirring them up. If they were more like the antifa, then after the victory mass exterminations of German soldiers (and civilians, it wasn't just fighting age men who supported Hitler) and destruction (and punching Germans in the face) would have taken place in Germany and the nation would have been sliced up into pieces and absorbed into the borders of the various allied nations.

Quite true we gave up on denazification when we realized we'd have to lock up most the nation, also Germany needed leaders and we wanted scientists.
Neo nazis aren't real nazis, they wouldn't been accepted by the nazi party. There's a few real nazis on trial in Germany currently I think.

Our troops fought and died to protect the constitution and bill of rights. They fought for freedom. The nazis fought for stripping poeoples rights. To strip neo nazi rights goes against everything our troops fight and die for. Freedom is for everyone. People who break laws will be punished. The rich would love to strip poor and disabled of our rights. If we start stripping groups from their rights it won't stop with the nazi and the core of our nation will have be destroyed. I would not be proud nor fight for a nation that removes people's rights of whom they disagree with.

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17 Aug 2017, 1:53 pm

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French Right, and it has been exported to Germany as well.

Glad to know f*cked-in-the-head crazy isn't restricted to just America. :lol:

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17 Aug 2017, 1:54 pm

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Identity politics is the problem. Of all flavours.

There's a resentment feedback loop building and everyone is too busy screaming about how evil the "other guys" are to listen to reason.

Don't be part of the problem.

^^^
"centrist" drivel

Oppression is the problem. When identity politics opposes oppression, it is good. When it creates oppression, it is bad.

Centrist, or right wingers pretending to centrists?

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17 Aug 2017, 1:54 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Alexanderplatz wrote:

French Right, and it has been exported to Germany as well.

Glad to know f*cked-in-the-head crazy isn't restricted to just America. :lol:

Be careful what you say here, Kraichgauer. You just might get a warning.

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17 Aug 2017, 2:00 pm

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EzraS wrote:

Sign me up too. But keep in mind that I'm also a KGB secret agent.

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

Defining centrists in terms of compromise is as asinine as it is inaccurate, let alone trying to apply such a narrow definition to an entire group of people - or, in other words, more identity politics.

2nded.

People in the center, particularly anti-authoritarian center rather than neoliberal/neoconservative, tend to defend both the 1st and 2nd amendment for similar reasons; ie. the 2nd amendment is to make the odds of a tyrranical government much more remote and costly as a deterrent, the 1st amendment, in particular free speech, is the even more important protection we have against ever having society decay enough to have the 2nd amendment actually come to fruition. Sun Tzu actually said this quite clearly in the Art of War - ie. that war, ie. physical violence, is a sign of failure in every other category.

- The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

- Victorious warriors win first then go to war, defeated warriors go to war first then seek to win.

- The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.

- The wise warrior avoids the battle.

Antifa and their Progressive supporters would do well to remember the following:

- When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.

- If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain to be in peril.

Oh, and for GoT fans:

- In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity.

And of course, there are many, many more highly appropriate quotes I might have used.

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When radicals say that speech is 'blahblahblahblahblah' and no action to help the oppressed they utterly forget that speech precedes flow of public will, flow of money, sponsorship, and most politicians lick their fingers to see which way the wind is blowing - ie. their integrity is only existent when it's supplemented by our integrity, and that supplementation takes a populace where the general climate promotes clear-thinking and reason. To that end it's like the radicals think that whatever's not immediately happening - now - is a fiction and anyone deferring gratification or trying to collect a more long-term and stable resolution to problems is some type of secret sycophant to the society's current ills. I see a massive bucket of evidence for that perception getting poured out all over the PPR and current events folders right now.

Quite so. As you allude to, it's both short-sighted and foolish.

There's also an element of moralistic bullying going on that I find entirely distasteful. Whilst I don't advocate for PPR to be a bubble-wrapped haven, there's a noticeable uptick in the number of posts whose authors have either forgotten where the line is drawn or, worse, choose to ignore it.

But are the Alt Right white nationalists going to follow those rules? I personally think not.

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17 Aug 2017, 2:02 pm

I'm a Nazi-hater. I'm a Jew. My mother's a Jew.

I do believe we have to suppress Nazis. But we also have to suppress extremists of all stripes.

We should do what we used to do to the KKK: sue the pants out of them.

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17 Aug 2017, 2:05 pm

Both alt-right white nationalists and antifa are great at disrespecting the rule of law which is why I really think we should start prosecuting assault in groups in the same exact manner as we prosecute it on a one-to-one level. We have a list of felonies and fines as well as prison sentences that go with them for a reason. Selective or contextual enforcement or lack thereof just emboldens people.

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17 Aug 2017, 2:05 pm

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I'm a Nazi hater because I'm a German American, and Hitler and his bunch had put a black spot on the country and culture that had produced my forebears.

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17 Aug 2017, 2:06 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

I'm a Nazi hater because I'm a German American, and Hitler and his bunch had put a black spot on the country and culture that had produced my forebears.

In a way he was also the fault of the WWI allies in general because the Treaty of Versailles was what made Germany ripe for the picking.

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17 Aug 2017, 2:07 pm

KagamineLen wrote:

Drake wrote:

KagamineLen wrote:

Drake wrote:

KagamineLen wrote:

Drake wrote:

OP, are you going to listen to what people are saying, or just keep putting out rhetoric?

Universal rights. That includes everyone. That's what makes it work.

One murderer, one arrest. He will be brought to justice. The rest didn't kill anyone. Or try to.

I hope I am still alive to say "I told you so" when the mass murder attempts at the hand of Nazis become more of a daily commonplace occurrence in my country

I don't think this is a realistic possibility. And if it did happen, then the group would be dealt with as enemies of America. They wouldn't last long.

Trump's just showed his hand - again - for which side he's actually on.

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