Why are feminists not against hijab?

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not ALL left-feminists are like that just like not ALL trump-supporters are racists. but fact is that all groups have opinions that are common witihin that group. left-feminists are biggest hypocrites thought.

left-feminists?

Feminism is left by default, equality and equity.

I now find the concept of Christian or Islamic feminism a bit oxymoronic, and this is coming from someone who was a practising Christian and something of a feminist. I realised that the feminism was in spite of my former religion, not because of.

A lot of leftist feminists have never been seriously religious (well, except the ones who might have been very Marxist and aren't any more) so they don't get that religion + feminism = cognitive dissonance. They hear other women say, 'I'm an Islamic feminist' and just take it at face value. That's the impression I get.

Political and religious convictions do matter, though. I had a lot of internalised misogyny when I was a Christian, which conflicted with my feminist convictions. Ideas matter as much as character because they help to shape it.

Well I think if a woman wants to wear a hijab then she should, I don't agree with it being forced but I also can't agree with being forced not to wear one if you want to.

I am more of a pagan than anything, don't really care much for Islam, Judaism or Christianity...but I still think people have the right to practice those religions if they choose, just as much as I have the right to practice pagan spirituality. Freedom of religion is in the constitution so as much as I want people to respect me not being a christian I have to respect that some people will follow those religions even if I disagree.

Who am I to tell someone who follows Islam that they can't wear a hijab, should they tell me I can't wear a Mjölnir pendant because I follow norse paganism?

Basically I am about the choice, I don't think women should or should not wear one, I think it should be up to them if they want to or not.

Well, yes. That's absolutely true. Both politics and religion has a huge impact on people's behaviour. But that is more of a cultural thing I think.
Where I come from, most churches has developed to be very liberal. They are all for gay marriage and female priests are really common. But you see other christian communities that are extremely conservative. It's not christianity itself, but the people in charge of the churches.
I've had friends who were really nice as kids, and they turned out as neo-nazis because they hung around the wrong crowd. They aren't really bad people, they just found a place to belong and adapted to that community. In my eyes they're as*holes, but in reality they're just normal people (though probably with below average intelligence).
Most people are pretty nice, and very easily influenced. Everyone thinks that their ideals are the right ones, and that they're standing on the good side.
That's why I think that people who are breaking out of their communities (especially extremist or religious ones) are so impressive. Because it's really hard to see the outside of the bubble you grew up in.
I come from a very liberal family, and all the people I've spent my time with have been liberals. Which is what has shaped my convictions. Had I grown up in a conservative environment, I would likely think differently. But I would still see myself as the good and rational one.


What bothers me so much about religion is how the golden rule is the basic message in almost every single one. Yet, many religious communities seem to top the list of displaying aggressive and hateful behaviour. Right along with the political extremists.
I'm just trying to remember that the loudest people aren't representative of their whole group.

There's also a practical reason why women wear burkas, hijabs, etc. And men wear turbans.

It's to protect one's self from desert sand.

One of the biggest embarrassments to feminism is the rejection of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. I think it goes to show that people who enjoy being part of the virtue signaling club within feminism - or any club anywhere that trades ingroup praising for action - abhor the real thing, someone who really walks the walk and is willing to put their life in danger for the issues where they count, on just how small they are in comparison.

The same goes for cowboys and cowgirls wearing bandannas in front of their faces in the old west.

You never hear them talking about antisemtism, buddhistphobia, hinduphobia, atheistphobia or even christianphobia.

I even hear left and feminists say there is no oppression at all against minorities in muslim nations and christian arabs they claim is the oppressor of muslim arabs even thought christian are 1 % of middle east and have no poiltical power.

makes no sense, can someone explain the left/feminist logic for me in this case.

Most feminists ARE against forcing people to wear the hijab. Most liberals are against banning the hijab. Most feminists are, of course, left of center; they're for giving people the CHOICE of wearing the hijab if they want to. In other words, they're against dictating to people what they should wear.

It seems like you're strawmanning the position. You do understand that being against the hijab ban doesn't mean you're for people having to wear hijabs, right? Are you capable of understanding that distinction?

I get it. But why is feminists totally against hijab in christianity?

Almost all the feminists and liberals I know like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and a great many of them have actually read her book, Infidel. I find that online/YouTube feminists are FAR more extreme than the vast majority of feminists IRL.

They're for giving women the choice. I don't think anyone's making an issue of little old Russian orthodox ladies who like wearing head scarves.

Someone probably could explain your strawman to you, but that doesn't guarantee you will understand. It doesn't seem that you want to understand things, but more that you'd just rather make strawman posts about positions most feminists don't actually support so you can tilt at them like Don Quixote. So have fun with that.

I know plenty of feminists who are concerned about anti-atheist sentiment in the United States. One reason many are concerned about Islamophobia is that hate crimes and discrimination against Muslims in the United States has shot up. I also know Jewish feminists who are very concerned about antisemitism (I'm half Ashkenazi Jewish, on my father's side).

I don't think we hear about discrimination against Hindus because that's primarily an issue in countries like Pakistan and Sri Lanka. I have, however, heard concern over discrimination against Sikhs, who are often mistaken for Muslims.

I've never heard ANYONE claim there isn't discrimination against minorities in Muslim nations. That would be a ridiculous claim. I'm pretty sure the percentage of the Middle East that's Christian is actually about 4%, but they face tremendous persecution, and the entire MENA region is riddled with anti-semitism. That's obvious. The Armenian genocide was literally about getting rid of the largest Christian population in the Ottoman Empire. Please show me examples of people claiming minorities don't face persecution in the Middle East.