Creationists: This is your chance to prove yourselves.

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Hi all.

I have a confession to make. In the past, I've been a tad harsh towards creationists ... maybe.

In this thread, I am going to give the creationists a chance to prove themselves. If the creationists want to be taken seriously, there are many questions that they must answer.

1. Human chromosome 2 looks suspiciously like a fusion of chimpanzee chromosome 2p and chimpanzee chromosome 2q.



Is this just a coincidence? Did God make it look that way? Why would he do that?

2. Explain the existence of dinosaur/bird creatures such as Archaeopteryx/Microraptor/Yi qi/Anchiornis/Icthyornis/Hesperornis/Confuciusornis. What are they? If birds are not descendants of dinosaurs, why did God put the bones of dino/bird creatures underground?

3. Explain creatures like Icthyostega/Acanthostega/Pederpes/Ventastega/Tiktaalik. Are they fish? Are they amphibians? Why do they look like both?

4. Explain the existence of stratigraphy. Gorillas cannot swim very well. Why are their bones only found in the upper rock layers? If the great flood story were true, we would probably find gorilla remains in the lower layers, not the top layers.

I know what some of you are thinking right now. "What about the evolution of the eye?"

First of all, evolutionary biologists have spoken about this before. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eye
Second of all, even if the evolutionary biologists are wrong about the evolution of the eye, everything that I said about the fossil record is still true. Therefore, creationists still need to explain the suspicious fossil record even if they prove that some life forms in this world are irreducibly complex.

If you just believe in the Bible because of faith, don't bother responding to this thread. You can believe what you like, but if you are going to convince other people that you are correct, you need an argument more sophisticated than "... because God said so."

Darth, you are wasting your time. It is pointless to debate creationists. They operate from the view that creation HAS occured, and interpert nature in light of this conclusion. They WOULD just say its because god made it that way.

I mention something to a particularly religious person i live with: "look you can see Saturn in the night sky", he responds "thats one of God's creations", and that just kills the conversation for me so I just walk out.

Fun fact, I found out only a few years ago that the original Hebrew word for "day" in whatever old dialect is used in the bible, is the same word used for "era". It sounds way more lit to say "God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh" than if you replace the word "days" with the word "eras"...

Saying that "Saturn is one of God's creations" is one thing.

But saying that folks in Jesus' time put saddles on dinosaurs, and that Jesus himself "probably rode dinosaurs" is something else.

I don't see why common DNA is a problem.

We've seen in it in Promethesus

all life was seeded by a "GOD", so yeah, DNA would be very, very similar

I don't see why common DNA is a problem.

We've seen in it in Promethesus

all life was seeded by a "GOD", so yeah, DNA would be very, very similar

I believe in creation, just not the literal "created in one week" new world type of thing. I do not see "intelligent design" and "evolution" as being mutually exclusive. I find great wonder in both sides of the coin.

I could never get behind the "big bang" theory, though. Maybe the theory where the universe keeps expanding and then collapsing, but to have NOTHING, absolutely nothing at all, complete void, oblivion, and then two tiny particles magically appear, collide, and explode into EVERYTHING? I don't know. But I guess sometimes it feels just as mindblowing to try to imagine where God Himself came from.

But it is hard to deny, that we do in fact exist, and we are cognizant of our existence, and we are not oblivion.


This is why, short of learning Hebrew, I really want to get a good translation of the Bible with annotations and read through it. My old pastor would always mention things like this, passages where King James might have missed the mark a bit, and it always irked me.

What are you talking about?

And what does what you're talking about have to do with what we are all talking about?

The OP is about common DNA.

"Seeded creationism" as explained in Promethesus, shows us that DNA will be common, because all life came from one source, "GOD".

"Aliens put us here" is one of my favorite conspiracy theories =) That we're just livestock or some creepy experiment.

We could all just be one giant (crappy) computer, like in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. </spoilers>