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19 Jan 2018, 5:20 pm

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I say we deport all Liberals to Africa - then build The Wall as quick as possible and only let them re-enter America once they sign papers saying that they have been "re-educated" to be Conservatives. They obviously are not understanding the term "sh!thole" by living in a first-world country.

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19 Jan 2018, 5:32 pm

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Liberals don't mind hordes of illegal immigrants pouring into the United States, because they can just retreat to their underground bunkers or gated communities. Hollywood elites are equipped to shut out the rest of the world. I don't notice any libs offering to take these 3rd worlders into their homes ! Remind a liberal that their houses have walls. They will just argue and say "you're full of hate".


Actually your republicans also take advantage of illegal immigration by employing these people to work for them and their companies for next to nothing. Don't have to pay them a pension or medical either. Illegal immigration and large scale third world immigration is a conservative idea.

The people you refer to as ''liberal'' that encourage the U.S (and other countries) to have an open door immigration policy are foolish individuals. Anyone with any common sense at all knows what that will result in.


Forget deporting all Liberal and Illegals to Africa. I think they should all be deported to CANADA! Then we build ANOTHER WALL on the CANADIAN BORDER! I'm tired of all of these "outsiders" commenting on American problems.


So ... you think that only Americans can understand American issues?

That's funny ... because you speak about Haiti as though you are an expert on Haiti. Why the double standard?

People outside of the United States learn about the country by reading about it.

Most Christians have never seen Jesus directly. Many Trump supporters have never met Trump in person. How can you say he exists if you have never seen him in person? I've never seen a virus with my own eyes. Does this mean that I know nothing about viruses?


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19 Jan 2018, 5:32 pm

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I say we deport all Liberals to Africa - then build The Wall as quick as possible and only let them re-enter America once they sign papers saying that they have been "re-educated" to be Conservatives. They obviously are not understanding the term "sh!thole" by living in a first-world country.


Why should liberals be deported when they're the ones who support a modern state that provides vital services to their citizens? Maybe the hyper free marketers should get to enjoy the fruits of the system they advocate for? If they want sewage services, they can pay for them. Public services and infrastructure funded from tax dollars are just socialism-lite. The free market will solve all problems, and making wherever they're deported to into a shining beacon of capitalism they can show liberals how capitalism is supposed to work. :wink:


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19 Jan 2018, 5:39 pm

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I say we deport all Liberals to Africa - then build The Wall as quick as possible and only let them re-enter America once they sign papers saying that they have been "re-educated" to be Conservatives. They obviously are not understanding the term "sh!thole" by living in a first-world country.


I see you have never had the misfortune of having to live in the state of Mississippi. Lucky you.


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19 Jan 2018, 5:52 pm

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A ex-libertarian going in Honduras made the opposite.

https://www.salon.com/2015/03/02/my_libertarian_vacation_nightmare_how_ayn_rand_ron_paul_their_groupies_were_all_debunked/

i'm glad at least that libertarian saw the limitations of the right-wing "I've got mine so screw you!" philosophy. I suspect some of the others might instead say something along the lines of "where's the flit?" IOW "where are the death squads when you need them?!"



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19 Jan 2018, 5:56 pm

I thought Libertarians were very much of the mind that "Ive got mine, so screw you" was the correct view, even more so than Conservatives.


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19 Jan 2018, 6:03 pm

Tollorin wrote:
A ex-libertarian going in Honduras made the opposite.

https://www.salon.com/2015/03/02/my_libertarian_vacation_nightmare_how_ayn_rand_ron_paul_their_groupies_were_all_debunked/


Honduras is also screwed up because of Hillary Clinton.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html

Attention Democrats: I know that Clinton is better than Trump. I also know that turtles are faster than snails. What's your point?


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19 Jan 2018, 6:10 pm

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I thought Libertarians were very much of the mind that "Ive got mine, so screw you" was the correct view, even more so than Conservatives.

there are, amazingly, still a few of the old-line conservatives left who have genuine Christian* values. now it [church membership] among the politically influential of this crowd is largely just a power trip, a "good housekeeping" seal of political influence.
*[REAL charitable Christianity and not this "prosperity gospel" obscenity - IOW the prosperity gospel's belief that the poor, by dint of the fact they are poor, are cursed by god in the first place to burn in hell forever - that is so popular nowadays amongst many righty amuuurican xtians]



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19 Jan 2018, 6:12 pm

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Attention Democrats: I know that Clinton is better than Trump. I also know that turtles are faster than snails. What's your point?


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19 Jan 2018, 6:14 pm

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I thought Libertarians were very much of the mind that "Ive got mine, so screw you" was the correct view, even more so than Conservatives.

there are, amazingly, still a few of the old-line conservatives left who have genuine Christian* values. now it [church membership] among the politically influential of this crowd is largely just a power trip, a "good housekeeping" seal of political influence.
*[REAL charitable Christianity and not this "prosperity gospel" obscenity - IOW the prosperity gospel's belief that the poor, by dint of the fact they are poor, are cursed by god in the first place to burn in hell forever - that is so popular nowadays amongst many righty amuuurican xtians]


I think basically you're describing the split between 'Christian Democrat' type conservatives and economically liberal/libertarian lite + social authoritarian 'GOP' type conservatives.


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19 Jan 2018, 6:15 pm

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Attention Democrats: I know that Clinton is better than Trump. I also know that turtles are faster than snails. What's your point?

the point is that politics [in the words of Bismarck] is the art of the possible, not the optimal. Clinton more properly should be thought of as "less bad" than the orange-haired menace, 'tis likely that much less of this amuuurican madness that is happening now would be manifest had Clinton been elected. oh sure, majority leader turtleface and speaker lyin' ryan and their ilk would still be misbehaving in the expected ways but at least there'd be a moderator with a veto pen restraining the worst damage they could do. stalemate is still better than the headlong rush to the abyss we're experiencing now.



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19 Jan 2018, 6:29 pm

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Attention Democrats: I know that Clinton is better than Trump. I also know that turtles are faster than snails. What's your point?

the point is that politics [in the words of Bismarck] is the art of the possible, not the optimal. Clinton more properly should be thought of as "less bad" than the orange-haired menace, 'tis likely that much less of this amuuurican madness that is happening now would be manifest had Clinton been elected. oh sure, majority leader turtleface and speaker lyin' ryan and their ilk would still be misbehaving in the expected ways but at least there'd be a moderator with a veto pen restraining the worst damage they could do. stalemate is still better than the headlong rush to the abyss we're experiencing now.


In the short-term, but possibly not in the long-term. Just think, Clinton wouldn't be likely to get re-elected in 2020, wouldn't accomplish much of anything except for where establishment Dems and the GOP agree and Trump wouldn't be burning down the GOP big tent anymore. If the next few years are survivable things might be better than if she won, at least in the long run.


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19 Jan 2018, 6:40 pm

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Attention Democrats: I know that Clinton is better than Trump. I also know that turtles are faster than snails. What's your point?

the point is that politics [in the words of Bismarck] is the art of the possible, not the optimal. Clinton more properly should be thought of as "less bad" than the orange-haired menace, 'tis likely that much less of this amuuurican madness that is happening now would be manifest had Clinton been elected. oh sure, majority leader turtleface and speaker lyin' ryan and their ilk would still be misbehaving in the expected ways but at least there'd be a moderator with a veto pen restraining the worst damage they could do. stalemate is still better than the headlong rush to the abyss we're experiencing now.


In the short-term, but possibly not in the long-term. Just think, Clinton wouldn't be likely to get re-elected in 2020, wouldn't accomplish much of anything except for where establishment Dems and the GOP agree and Trump wouldn't be burning down the GOP big tent anymore. If the next few years are survivable things might be better than if she won, at least in the long run.

so you're saying it is better to deal with the largely irreversible GOP damage now just so people will see the righties can't be trusted not to abuse their power, and will resultantly vote left-wing in 2018-2020? that is a lot of hope to be hoping.



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19 Jan 2018, 6:57 pm

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Attention Democrats: I know that Clinton is better than Trump. I also know that turtles are faster than snails. What's your point?

the point is that politics [in the words of Bismarck] is the art of the possible, not the optimal. Clinton more properly should be thought of as "less bad" than the orange-haired menace, 'tis likely that much less of this amuuurican madness that is happening now would be manifest had Clinton been elected. oh sure, majority leader turtleface and speaker lyin' ryan and their ilk would still be misbehaving in the expected ways but at least there'd be a moderator with a veto pen restraining the worst damage they could do. stalemate is still better than the headlong rush to the abyss we're experiencing now.


In the short-term, but possibly not in the long-term. Just think, Clinton wouldn't be likely to get re-elected in 2020, wouldn't accomplish much of anything except for where establishment Dems and the GOP agree and Trump wouldn't be burning down the GOP big tent anymore. If the next few years are survivable things might be better than if she won, at least in the long run.

so you're saying it is better to deal with the largely irreversible GOP damage now just so people will see the righties can't be trusted not to abuse their power, and will resultantly vote left-wing in 2018-2020? that is a lot of hope to be hoping.


It might be, but I'll concede I'm uncertain. A useless (and still largely damaging) Clinton presidency with a GOP controlled Congress, followed by a Trump/Bannon style nationalist but more competent might well be worse. I feel like most of the possible outcomes from 2016 onward were unfavourable, and it's largely a matter of extent. I'm hoping Trump's incompetence will minimize the damage he can cause, although I'll also concede that's not the only potential outcome there.


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20 Jan 2018, 11:25 am

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I thought Libertarians were very much of the mind that "Ive got mine, so screw you" was the correct view, even more so than Conservatives.

there are, amazingly, still a few of the old-line conservatives left who have genuine Christian* values. now it [church membership] among the politically influential of this crowd is largely just a power trip, a "good housekeeping" seal of political influence.
*[REAL charitable Christianity and not this "prosperity gospel" obscenity - IOW the prosperity gospel's belief that the poor, by dint of the fact they are poor, are cursed by god in the first place to burn in hell forever - that is so popular nowadays amongst many righty amuuurican xtians]


I had the misfortune of having to live in the state of Mississippi for five years. It may technically be part of a first world country, but it fits the def of a sh*thole to a T. And the people continue to elect Republicans who are against the interests of that impoverished hell hole for all the wrong reasons--racism, homophobia, and religious fanaticism being at the top of the list.


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20 Jan 2018, 11:29 am

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I say we deport all Liberals to Africa - then build The Wall as quick as possible and only let them re-enter America once they sign papers saying that they have been "re-educated" to be Conservatives. They obviously are not understanding the term "sh!thole" by living in a first-world country.


I am a homosexual liberal who thinks you dead wrong on pretty much everything. But I'm an American too, and can voice my views, protected by the Constitution, as loudly as yours. I don't see anything funny about your "reeducation" fantasies, it does sound like the Nazis to me.

As for the Wall of Hate, it either will not be built or the attempt will fail.


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