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21 Mar 2018, 6:01 pm

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If we erase history then it’s destined to be repeated.

I agree!

Now, at the risk of going-down the Confederate rabbit hole..... I think it is stupid to remove the flags, statues, and so-forth. If you want a "black people's statue"----right now, Baltimore is erecting (or, HAS erected) a statue to Harriet Tubman, in one of the places that used to have a Confederate staute----that's fine, put 'em right up there with ol' Lee (or whichever Confederate), that'll make 'im roll-over in his grave (LOL); but, don't take things, AWAY (add-TO - that way, IMO, nobody feels snubbed)! !

Actually that's probably the right direction to go on this issue. Keep the confederate guys in the park, but juxtapose them with statues of Harriet Tubman, and Frederick Douglas, and... just accept the contradictions implied. Indeed embrace the contradictions.



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21 Mar 2018, 6:23 pm

You know what would be really constructive. For every statue of Robert E. Lee, there is, erect a statue of Frederick Douglas, Harriet Tubman, Hiram Revels or another African American hero of that era. But don't destroy history, society needs these warnings and these lessons. Besides for every so-called "Symbol" of hatred that is knocked down, an innocent person dies in a real, vicious hate crime. That is what we have seen in Charlottesville, don't let it happen elsewhere.



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21 Mar 2018, 6:23 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
sly279 wrote:
If we erase history then it’s destined to be repeated.

I agree!

Now, at the risk of going-down the Confederate rabbit hole..... I think it is stupid to remove the flags, statues, and so-forth. If you want a "black people's statue"----right now, Baltimore is erecting (or, HAS erected) a statue to Harriet Tubman, in one of the places that used to have a Confederate staute----that's fine, put 'em right up there with ol' Lee (or whichever Confederate), that'll make 'im roll-over in his grave (LOL); but, don't take things, AWAY (add-TO - that way, IMO, nobody feels snubbed)! !

Actually that's probably the right direction to go on this issue. Keep the confederate guys in the park, but juxtapose them with statues of Harriet Tubman, and Frederick Douglas, and... just accept the contradictions implied. Indeed embrace the contradictions.

very good chance, human nature being what it is [sh***y] that there would soon be a "statue war" with mutual defacing of statues if kept in the same place.



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21 Mar 2018, 6:25 pm

Blondi can't be blamed for the crimes of the Nazis....

I wave to Blondi, too.



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21 Mar 2018, 6:31 pm

blondi's in a place where it's safe and warm and no piss-ant Nazis to be found anywhere.



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21 Mar 2018, 7:12 pm

It may seem unrelated, but I'd like to see alternatives to Jackson on the $20 bill. And maybe see all the Midwest prisons named after native tribes (Shawnee, Pontiac, etc.) renamed to something else.



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21 Mar 2018, 7:14 pm

auntblabby wrote:
blondi's in a place where it's safe and warm and no piss-ant Nazis to be found anywhere.


Nor a commie bastard around to torture and kill her... 8O

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I had no idea that Alsatian=German shepherd :o :idea:
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Calling a "German shepherd" an alsatian is racist... 8O



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21 Mar 2018, 10:10 pm

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And wanting the state to "ban" something out of someone getting offended, it's just as good an idea as wanting to ban dog ownership because Hitler owned a dog.


Hitler believed two plus two made four. I hope you don’t agree with Hitler!


Hitler was also a vegetarian and the Nazis discovered smoking caused cancer and so were against smoking. So we shoul all eat tons of meat and smoke lots of cigars, also as not to appear as liking nazis, we should be very suspicious of vegetarians and vegans too for that matter. :p



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22 Mar 2018, 1:36 am

Great idea! They rejected "Jewish science", which meant they failed to get nukes ready in time for the war, and otherwise they might even have won it. Let's do the same with anything associated with the Nazis---what could go wrong?


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22 Mar 2018, 1:41 am

Spiderpig wrote:
Great idea! They rejected "Jewish science", which meant they failed to get nukes ready in time for the war, and otherwise they might even have won it. Let's do the same with anything associated with the Nazis---what could go wrong?


I heard somewhere where the Amerikans employed hundreds of thousands of individuals to work on the Manhattan project... 8O
I suspect they had the edge... :wink:



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22 Mar 2018, 1:48 am

Pepe wrote:
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Great idea! They rejected "Jewish science", which meant they failed to get nukes ready in time for the war, and otherwise they might even have won it. Let's do the same with anything associated with the Nazis---what could go wrong?


I heard somewhere where the Amerikans employed hundreds of thousands of individuals to work on the Manhattan project... 8O
I suspect they had the edge... :wink:


And the simple fact was, Hitler's man on the Nazi atomic bomb project, Werner Heisenberg, had purposely dragged his feet to prevent Hitler from getting the bomb. But even if he was dedicated to making Nazi Germany an atomic power, it turns out that while Heisenberg thought he knew how to build the bomb, he actually didn't. Now that's irony!


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22 Mar 2018, 2:48 am

^^^and thank god for that!



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22 Mar 2018, 3:03 am

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^^^and thank god for that!


Thank God the Amerikans dropped the bomb on the Japanese rather than the Krauts...

Errr...why are you guys looking at me funny? 8O :mrgreen:



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22 Mar 2018, 3:25 am

Pepe wrote:
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^^^and thank god for that!


Thank God the Amerikans dropped the bomb on the Japanese rather than the Krauts...

Errr...why are you guys looking at me funny? 8O :mrgreen:


Had Germany not surrendered when it did, they very probably would have been targeted with an atomic bomb.


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22 Mar 2018, 3:28 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Spiderpig wrote:
Great idea! They rejected "Jewish science", which meant they failed to get nukes ready in time for the war, and otherwise they might even have won it. Let's do the same with anything associated with the Nazis---what could go wrong?


I heard somewhere where the Amerikans employed hundreds of thousands of individuals to work on the Manhattan project... 8O
I suspect they had the edge... :wink:


And the simple fact was, Hitler's man on the Nazi atomic bomb project, Werner Heisenberg, had purposely dragged his feet to prevent Hitler from getting the bomb. But even if he was dedicated to making Nazi Germany an atomic power, it turns out that while Heisenberg thought he knew how to build the bomb, he actually didn't. Now that's irony!


We blew up their heavy water production which set them back a long while



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22 Mar 2018, 3:29 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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auntblabby wrote:
^^^and thank god for that!


Thank God the Amerikans dropped the bomb on the Japanese rather than the Krauts...

Errr...why are you guys looking at me funny? 8O :mrgreen:


Had Germany not surrendered when it did, they very probably would have been targeted with an atomic bomb.

Look on the bright side...
What difference would it have made if a million more people died in German via the atomic bomb or fire storms?
Dead is dead...<shrug>