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25 Jan 2019, 2:36 pm

Just to clarify,LnH, a personal attack would be if I made some statement about who I think you are, which I have not done. I am commenting on your arguments and the way that they are presented, not on you as a person.



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25 Jan 2019, 2:50 pm

The conservatives here see anyone who disagrees as an enemy. I've tried use logic & reason in these threads & I got nothing.


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25 Jan 2019, 2:54 pm

Zinnia86 wrote:
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So, you assume they're all criminals.

Yes, according to our laws, they are criminals.

That is why our law enforcement deports them.

Gangs, Kidnapping, Drug distribution, bank robbery, fraud, assault, international warrants, ISIS members, sex offenses ....


I'm curious how you can think that this statement is loving and not hateful, Lovenothate. The definition of hate is "feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone)," which you obviously do for people coming from Mexico who can't afford to take the time or pay the money to do it the way that our government demands. The vast majority of them are actually trying to escape the things that you name in your list, not bring them here.

Why would you defend people who harm others, harm communities, bring drugs into our communities, break our laws, disrespect our country?

"Immigration and Customs Enforcement said it arrested about 159,000 foreigners during the 2018 fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, an increase of 11 percent from the previous year".

"About 90 percent of the people arrested had criminal convictions, were facing pending criminal charges or had been previously issued a final deportation order by an immigration judge"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/us/p ... -rise.html


Again with the blanket statements. 90% of 159,000 is 143,000. That's out of the estimated 10.7 MILLION undocumented immigrants that are here (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/i ... study.html). That's a tiny fraction of the population. The vast majority of them are here to work, not to commit crimes. Get a dose of reality. Live up to your username, or don't use it at all.

As I said in my original post, Trump deports a couple hundred thousand criminal illegal aliens in his first two years.

Everyone agrees that's a positive.

Trump famously said he's targeting the "bad hombres" (people who pose a danger to others).

That's why arrests are only 159,000 and not millions.

That's also why "About 90 percent of the people arrested had criminal convictions, were facing pending criminal charges or had been previously issued a final deportation order by an immigration judge"

These are the "bad hombres".

Your comments like "get dose on reality" and "live up to your username" are both personal attacks.

They reflect poorly on you.


Those are not personal attacks, they are commonsense suggestions if you want people to take you seriously. The things that you are saying are not a reflection of reality based on simple statistics. Using that username to advocate for policies that attack a huge group of people based on things that only a tiny percentage of them have done makes me sad, and even sadder that you choose not to recognize it when called out on it.

This topic is about Trump's halfway accomplishments.

I quoted US government immigration statistics that Trump (ICE) has been very successful at targeting "Bad Hombre" criminal illegal aliens.

You seem emotionally-invested in the plight of illegal aliens.

However, regardless, most people like when law enforcement arrest/deport "Bad Hombres" (like the Mexican national I cited earlier that promoted children into prostitution).

The facts, as you say, "there are millions of illegal aliens" and "statistically, the arrested are a small percent", logically, doesn't detract from Trump's accomplishment of removing the few that are.

You appear new to PPR, and your posts are very personal, twice you have made an issue of my username moniker. However, here, we are very logical, and non-personal.


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25 Jan 2019, 2:59 pm

Stopping all immigration because of an exaggerated crime rate is unpatriotic. We imprison more people per capita than any other country, period. What does that tell you about white people?


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25 Jan 2019, 3:01 pm

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Stopping all immigration because of an exaggerated crime rate is unpatriotic. We imprison more people per capita than any other country, period. What does that tell about white people?

Trump is not advocating stopping immigration.


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25 Jan 2019, 3:03 pm

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However, here, we are very logical, and non-personal.

If only, my friend. :D


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25 Jan 2019, 3:06 pm

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Stopping all immigration because of an exaggerated crime rate is unpatriotic. We imprison more people per capita than any other country, period. What does that tell about white people?

Trump is not advocating stopping immigration.


Wrong. He unconstitutionally tried to ban immigration from specific countries. It's hard work to get much more racist than that.


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25 Jan 2019, 3:11 pm

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However, here, we are very logical, and non-personal.

If only, my friend. :D


Whenever someone tells me they're more logical than everyone else, I know to disregard their statements because it's clear that they already lied.

Logic is demonstrated in reality, you don't just proclaim yourself to be logical, that's not how it works.


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25 Jan 2019, 3:48 pm

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The conservatives here see anyone who disagrees as an enemy. I've tried use logic & reason in these threads & I got nothing.

Almost right replace conservatives with liberals
It’s nit the conservatives calling anyone who disagrees with them nazis or racist.



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25 Jan 2019, 3:50 pm

cberg wrote:
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Stopping all immigration because of an exaggerated crime rate is unpatriotic. We imprison more people per capita than any other country, period. What does that tell about white people?

Trump is not advocating stopping immigration.


Wrong. He unconstitutionally tried to ban immigration from specific countries. It's hard work to get much more racist than that.

It’s not unconstitutional. Presidents have the ability to block immigration and Sanation nations.
Obama did it too and you probably praised him king Obama can do no wrong.



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25 Jan 2019, 4:06 pm

Hell no I didn't. I'm not a Democrat & I'm certainly not a Republican.

I'm just calling them as I see them & I never called anyone a Nazi, not even the president when he vocally appoved of them.


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25 Jan 2019, 4:06 pm

sly279 wrote:
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The conservatives here see anyone who disagrees as an enemy. I've tried use logic & reason in these threads & I got nothing.

Almost right replace conservatives with liberals
It’s nit the conservatives calling anyone who disagrees with them nazis or racist.


They're all wrong.


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25 Jan 2019, 4:08 pm

sly279 wrote:
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Stopping all immigration because of an exaggerated crime rate is unpatriotic. We imprison more people per capita than any other country, period. What does that tell about white people?

Trump is not advocating stopping immigration.


Wrong. He unconstitutionally tried to ban immigration from specific countries. It's hard work to get much more racist than that.

It’s not unconstitutional. Presidents have the ability to block immigration and Sanation nations.
Obama did it too and you probably praised him king Obama can do no wrong.


Also wrong, the immigration ban was RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/appeals-court-declares-third-muslim-ban-unconstitutional


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25 Jan 2019, 4:14 pm

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The conservatives here see anyone who disagrees as an enemy. I've tried use logic & reason in these threads & I got nothing.

Almost right replace conservatives with liberals
It’s nit the conservatives calling anyone who disagrees with them nazis or racist.


Look it up man, conventional liberals despise the very concept of enmity.


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25 Jan 2019, 4:34 pm

cberg wrote:
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The conservatives here see anyone who disagrees as an enemy. I've tried use logic & reason in these threads & I got nothing.

Almost right replace conservatives with liberals
It’s nit the conservatives calling anyone who disagrees with them nazis or racist.


Look it up man, conventional liberals despise the very concept of enmity.


Look everything you feel about conservatives I feel exactly the same about liberals.

We aren’t talking about past liberals.
Bunch of people on this forum identity as liberals call those who disagree with them nazis and racist on a daily basis. It it’s not limited to this forum.
This blue va red mentality needs to end but never will.



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25 Jan 2019, 4:45 pm

Well I think you're perpetuating it by sticking to your guns as it were, if you don't want partisan hatred, stop acting partisan.

I don't think American liberals are actually liberal at all anyway. They advocate for laissez-faire capitalism very nearly as aggressively as the GOP. There isn't really much difference between political camps in DC, they just manufacture a facade of controversy over petty disagreements in order to coerce everyone to choose the lesser of two evils instead of furthering their own good ideas.


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