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13 Mar 2019, 10:23 pm

Since when do 2 Democrats speak for most Democrats?

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13 Mar 2019, 10:25 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

What will Democrats do for hourly workers?

Raise their taxes?

Get them health care and a living wage?

Most Democrats don't support that.

[Citation needed.]

Democrats recently had control of the presidency and Congress, and did neither.

Top NANCY PELOSI AIDE PRIVATELY TELLS INSURANCE EXECUTIVES NOT TO WORRY ABOUT DEMOCRATS PUSHING “MEDICARE FOR ALL”
https://theintercept.com/2019/02/05/nan ... e-for-all/

Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-cl ... er-happen/

The citations you provided don't prove the claim you made. Do you have any thing like the results of a poll asking democrats if they support issues like living wage and universal health care?

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13 Mar 2019, 10:30 pm

For example, I found polls that support the opposite of your claim, LoveNotHate--the polls I found seem to show that most democrats are indeed for universal health care and a living wage for workers.

Politico: Poll: Plurality supports single-payer health care

The Hill: Poll: Bipartisan majority supports raising minimum wage

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13 Mar 2019, 10:34 pm

cberg wrote:

Since when do 2 Democrats speak for most Democrats?

Since they were nominated to represent them.

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13 Mar 2019, 10:37 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

cberg wrote:

Since when do 2 Democrats speak for most Democrats?

Since they were nominated to represent them.

Please provide some evidence to support your claim that "most democrats" don't support health care or living wage. You need something with a larger sample than two people to make a claim that "most" of any group support this or that. Something like the polls I provided, which show the opposite of what you claim, that most democrats do indeed support universal health care and a living wage.

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13 Mar 2019, 10:44 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

The original question asked was why would a hourly worker vote for a Democrat.

The polls you cite have nothing to do with that question.

Democrats have no intention of raising the minimum wage, and have no intention of passing "Medicare for all".

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13 Mar 2019, 10:52 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

cberg wrote:

Since when do 2 Democrats speak for most Democrats?

Since they were nominated to represent them.

It's self-evident.

However, here is a "Medicare for ALL" bill with only 16 Democrats sponsoring it.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... cosponsors

Here's a 2019 "Raise the Minimum Wage" bill with only 31 Democrat sponsoring it
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/150/cosponsors?r=2&s=3&q=%7B"search"%3A%5B"minimum+wage"%5D%2C"cosponsor-state"%3A"Hawaii"%7D

Most (nearly all) Democrats don't support these ideas.

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13 Mar 2019, 11:25 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

cberg wrote:

Since when do 2 Democrats speak for most Democrats?

Since they were nominated to represent them.

Just because they didn't support those particular bills doesn't mean they don't support the underlying issues, it just means they didn't like those particular bills.

Your claim that most democrats don't support universal health care or living wage is not supported by any of the polls I've seen on the subject. Can you cite some poll or survey of a good sample size of democrats about whether they support those issues or not as you claim?

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13 Mar 2019, 11:27 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

Yes that was the question I asked, and you claimed most democrats don't support those issues, so I provided links to polls that indeed do show that a majority of democrats (and a good chunk of everyone else) support universal health care and increasing the minimum wage bringing it closer to a living wage. I'm still waiting to see something that supports your claim about most democrats.

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14 Mar 2019, 12:19 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

cberg wrote:

Since when do 2 Democrats speak for most Democrats?

Since they were nominated to represent them.

Actions speak louder than words (polls).

The majority of Democrats are not taking action on these ideas.

The majority of Democrats don't sponsor existing "Medicare for ALL" and "Raise minimum wage" bills, nor do they propose alternative (compromise) bills. They make no substantive legislative effort to accomplish these ideas.

They have no intention of "Medicare for All" or raising the minimum wage.

So, the hourly worker voted for TRUMP.

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14 Mar 2019, 12:42 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

cberg wrote:

Since when do 2 Democrats speak for most Democrats?

Since they were nominated to represent them.

Thank you for confirming you can't find any support for your claim.

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14 Mar 2019, 12:43 am

You mean like the record high trade deficit he is single handedly responsible for?

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14 Mar 2019, 7:23 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

la_fenkis wrote:

Pepe wrote:

la_fenkis wrote:

So in democrat years it's the private corps responsible b/c politicians don't contribute much and when trump is president it's all him? (fyi, I don't support anyone, but least of all an orange turd who just watches cable and brags while puffing out his chest like a saggy old orangutan)

ACHTUNG! WARNING!
High levels of emotionalism detected!
All rational discussion will be aborted!

While I am *trying* to be funny, emotional venting does nothing for the discussion...
Please desist...
Or I might start to cry... :mrgreen:

This thread was meant to engender a rational discussion? I think my tone was about on par with the OP, and even provided a more rational viewpoint.

He seems to accuse everyone he talks to of this, it's not you. It's his thing, I think to avoid addressing the substance of people's arguments.

What?...
You can't differentiate rational discussion from self-indulgent emotionalistic nonsense?
Tut tut...

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16 Mar 2019, 1:51 pm

Job openings rise, outnumber the unemployed by 1 million

U.S. employers posted nearly 7.6 million open jobs in January, near a record high set in November. It's evidence that businesses are still hungry for workers despite signs the economy has slowed.

The Labor Department says hiring also rose and the number of people quitting their jobs picked up.

The number of open jobs now outnumbers the unemployed by roughly 1 million. In the 18 years that the data has been tracked, there were always more unemployed than job openings until last year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... ar-BBUOtvr

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16 Mar 2019, 1:56 pm

So he "created" a million too many jobs & cut off the labor supply?

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16 Mar 2019, 3:15 pm

wage growth for who?

The upper middle class and above.

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