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27 Jun 2020, 5:22 pm

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Also: Indigenous people are also frequent victims of police brutality. With the BLM protests finally bringing awareness to many white people that racism is still a thing, should the movement be expanded to include justice for non-white people who aren't black, or will that be taking more things away from black people? Are we still standing in solidarity if we move in parallel for our own personal causes?

The continual nitpicking of BLM is nothing but a passive aggressive manifestation of hostility towards the movement. And who is the "we" you are talking about? Are you a BLM member?

If you want a certain kind of anti-racism activism done, DO IT YOURSELF instead of putting the onus on people you don't even know. BLM is not obligated to address everybody's sociopolitical issues. If you really want to know what BLM should do or will do, go find some BLM members and talk to them about it, because they decide their own actions and agenda. Don't ask WP.



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27 Jun 2020, 10:09 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:
By invoking "moral relativity" in regards to reporting history, all you've done is point out the well known fact that the victors always paint themselves as the hero and the opposition as the villains to justify their actions to the future.

Why force your morality on others?

Why not let others be happy and worship their war "heroes"?


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28 Jun 2020, 3:25 am

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uncommondenominator wrote:
By invoking "moral relativity" in regards to reporting history, all you've done is point out the well known fact that the victors always paint themselves as the hero and the opposition as the villains to justify their actions to the future.

Why force your morality on others?

Why not let others be happy and worship their war "heroes"?


Nice cherrypicking and over-simplification. Why should I let them force their lies *cough* sorry, "MORALITY" onto me? Why am I the sacrificial lamb and not them? Why should I let you force your "MORALITY" onto me? It's all relative, remember? Morally RELATIVE. If they're all relative, how can one be better than the other? How can you pick one of the other? And, since it is your choice, it's merely your "morality", right? If others are entitled to theirs, aren't I to mine? Why do YOU get to to decide that *I*, have to satisfy THEIR "morality" at the expense of my own? Relatively speaking, since they're all equally valid, there is no right or wrong choice. Right? So why is my compliance demanded to satisfy the wants of others? How come you don't tell *them* to stop trying to force *their* morality onto others, too? Or are you playing favorites? Cos that would also be you forcing your morality, right?

In order for the argument to work as you've constructed it, it has to contradict itself to fulfill itself. It's basically like saying "all morality is relative, but this one is still best" - it can't be both. Even if you change it to "all morality is relative, so go with the one I say", it's still nothing but a demand. It's just "do as I say" with a preamble to make it seem like it's justified.

Philosophy aside, it is not my job to make other people happy at my expense. It is not my job to make other people happy, period. It is not my job to subsidize other people's wacky delusions. It is not my job to pretend I live in the land of make believe just so that other people don't have to get their feelings hurt for having to accept that "santa isn't real", insofar as the true story of their "heros".



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28 Jun 2020, 8:18 am

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Lincoln's criminal legacy is not about anyone else being "Woke"; it's about historical facts coming to light.

Sure, he did a lot of good, but that does not make him a saint.  To say otherwise would be like those Christian Fundamentalists saying that DJT is the greatest president in history because he's come out against abortion -- completely disregarding all of the treasonous activity he's been involved with and all the lies he's told.


The same could be said about you. :mrgreen:



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28 Jun 2020, 8:30 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
There's a funny poem I see a lot ... it goes like ...

They destroyed Confederate statues, and I didn't say anything cause I didn't care about Confederates.

They destroyed Columbus statues, and I didn't say anything cause I didn't care about Columbus.

They destroyed War memorial statues, and I didn't say anything cause I didn't care about wars.

Then they destroyed statues I cared about, and no one was left to speak up for me. :) :)


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28 Jun 2020, 10:19 am

The is now pressure on Mayor Marty Walsh to rename Faneuil hall.


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28 Jun 2020, 2:52 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:
Philosophy aside, it is not my job to make other people happy at my expense. It is not my job to make other people happy, period. It is not my job to subsidize other people's wacky delusions. It is not my job to pretend I live in the land of make believe just so that other people don't have to get their feelings hurt for having to accept that "santa isn't real", insofar as the true story of their "heros".


It's ironic how the people who are most vocally opposed to so called 'political correctness' are often the most militant about enforcing their standards of it. Some people are very invested in not having holes poked in the Lost Cause.


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30 Jun 2020, 1:32 am

Lincoln was hardly perfect, but he was certainly better than the men he fought who led the Confederacy's government and army. He had ultimately freed millions of Americans from involuntary servitude and he saved the country from being ripped apart. That should first and foremost be his legacy.


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