Racists don’t get it that...

Post Reply New Topic

Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say that my sexual interest in Asian women somehow "cancels" my dislike for Asians. Rather I said that Asian women never done anything that would cause me to dislike them on the first place, while Asian men did. So I imagine if there was heterosexual woman in my place she would similarly dislike Asian men without disliking Asian women, due to the behavior that I described above.

By the way, I don't date Asian women. I only date women of European descent (which includes Western European and Eastern European).

I didn't say that Bible says Moses had horns -- I only said "others misinterpretted that passage" to say this. What it says it hat Moses had light coming off of him, but in some language apparently the word for light is the same as the word for horns, which resulted in mistranslation. The English analogue of this is "piece" and "peace" meaning two different things. But that doesn't change the fact that some people misinterpretted it and thought it meant horns -- and actually made a statue of Moses with horns.

By the way, during my research I got two answers to my question as to how Christians could say that Jews are of the devil without saying that Moses is of the devil:

a) There is a theory called "replacement theology" which says that Jews of Old Testament time were God's chosen but after they rejected Jesus they aren't chosen any more. Now, saying "they aren't God's chosen" isn't the same thing as saying "they are of the devil": all it means is that they are just like everyone else, neither better nor worse. But if someone *wants* to say they are of the devil, they can "add" to the replacement theology an "extra statement" that "after they stopped being God's chosen they also became of the devil". And if one "wants" to also say they have horns, I guess one could say that when they rejected Jesus their DNA got mutated to make their descendants have horns (kinda what might happen in Chernobyl for example). But of course Bible doesn't actually say any of that. But that would be what Christians that believe this stuff would have to say. But, in this kind of scenario, Moses won't be having horns since the supposed mutation would have to happen at the time of Jesus, and Moses was before that.

b) There is also a theory called "Christian Identity" that -- in sharp contrast to replacement theology -- affirms that the physical descendants of Biblical Hebrews are still God's chosen people. However, it claims that today's Jews have no genetic lineage to them. Instead, today's Jews are descendants of Cain who later converted to Judaism. They, furthermore, say that in the Garden of Eden there was a sexual intercourse between Eve and the serpent, and Cain was the product of that intercourse. Since the serpent is the devil, Cain is the literal descendent of the devil, and since Jews are supposedly descendants of Cain, Jews are the physical descendants of the devil as well (and therefore they might have horns). But, once again, Biblical Hebrews are *not* Jews according to that doctrine. Since Moses is a Biblical Hebrew, Moses won't be of the devil, and, therefore, he won't be having horns. Similarly, the people whom he led out of Egypt are also Biblical Hebrews, thus they won't be Jewish either and, therefore, they also won't be having horns. By the way I do not believe in this doctrine: for one thing, Bible never said that Eve and serpent had sex, and also the descendants of Cain were supposed to die during the flood anyway. I am just summarizing what other people believe.

As you can see, theories "a" and "b" are completely different from each other. But their commonality is to disassociate Moses from today's Jews. In case of Theory a, they affirm that Moses is genetically related to today's Jews but deny the fact that the genetic lineage matters. In case of Theory b, they affirm that genetic lineage matters, but deny that Moses is genetically related to today's Jews. Therefore, if one uses "either" of these two theories to say that today's Jews are of the devil, one would have to also admit that Moses is *not* of the devil and, therefore, Moses won't be having horns. So the fact that they used that Biblical mistranslation of Moses having horns in order to support their theory about the Jews just shows they haven't thought it all the way through.

Was gonna say that.

It seems they are not aware that Jesus which they follow, Virgin Marry and all the Prophets in OT were Jews?


.


Interesting... the Arabic word of horns is “Qarn” too

Yes people generally forget that Yehoshuah (Jesus), Miriam (Mary) Yoseph (Joseph) were Jewish, and all the disciples.

I liked one particular thing that Jesus said regarding Kashrut, the Jewish dietary laws.

^^ The arabic word for Rhino is "Wahid el Qarn", which means one-horn.



Hebrew => Arabic

Yehoshuah = Yasou'
Miriam = Mariam or Miriam
Yoseph = Yousef, and I think ph is pronounced f?




Muslims have strict dietary laws as well, there's a whole list of animals they can't consume. Not surprising since Islam did evolve from a Messianic Jewish sect.

See you next year in Jerusalem

^^ The arabic word for Rhino is "Wahid el Qarn", which means one-horn.



Hebrew => Arabic

Yehoshuah = Yasou'
Miriam = Mariam or Miriam
Yoseph = Yousef, and I think ph is pronounced f?




Muslims have strict dietary laws as well, there's a whole list of animals they can't consume. Not surprising since Islam did evolve from a Messianic Jewish sect.

Yes people generally forget that Yehoshuah (Jesus), Miriam (Mary) Yoseph (Joseph) were Jewish, and all the disciples.

I liked one particular thing that Jesus said regarding Kashrut, the Jewish dietary laws. He said that what comes out of peoples' mouths is more important than what goes in. Meaning gossip and slander, the "evil tongue " לשון הרע
as we call it in Hebrew. Purity of heart is more valuable than mindless religious ritual. That is a progressive statement. Christians may object but I think of Jesus as an enlightened Reform Jew. As a student of the wisdom of kabbalah for many years I would even say he could have been a kabbalist from reading his writings.

It is interesting to hear the Jew say this. Because normally I see the opposite. Christians are pointing out that Jesus was Jewish while Jews totally refuse to acknowledge it. I guess the context of it is Christians trying to convert the Jews, which might explain why that happens. If I go outside of that particular context, there are a few occasions of Jews saying nice things about Jesus -- like for example there is a book "kosher Jesus". But these are very few and far between.

I can see where Jews are coming from though: when they are acknowledging that Jesus was a great teacher, they would still deny that he is a Messiah and especially God. Its one thing to like someone and its quite a different thing to engage in idolatry.

But this brings me to another question. While most Messianic Jews affirm that Jesus is God, there are few Messianic Jews that say he is a messiah but not God (see http://www.netzarim.co.il , https://www.judaismvschristianity.com/ and http://www.torahofmessiah.com as three examples of such). So why would that specific flavor of Messianic Judaism be bad? From the Christian point of view, belief in the wrong Messiah amounts to idolatry. But from Jewish point of view it doesn't. For example, Jews that don't believe in Shneerson as the Messiah don't have any problem with the other Jews that do. So if it is okay to believe in Shneerson as the Messiah when he isn't, why wouldn't it be okay to believe in Jesus as the Messiah? I realize that the difference is that they don't make Shneerson into God but they make Jesus into God. But once again, what about the specific brand of Messianic Jews that don't believe in Jesus as God?

By the way, in my three examples of Messianic websites that reject divinity of Jesus, I purposely picked out three very separate brands of them:

a) The website http://www.netzarim.co.il affirms the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew and rejects the rest of the New Testament. Also -- unlike other Messianic Jews -- http://www.netzarim.co.il affirms the authority of Talmud. The founder of http://www.netzarim.co.il claims he had Orthodox ordination as a rabbi and he was the only Messianic Jew who did (which is consistent with the fact that he is the only Messianic Jew who accepts the authority of the Talmud). However, I noticed on his photo he doesn't have a yarmolke so that raises a question about it.

b) The website http://www.judaismvschristianity.com affirms all of New Testament *except for* the letters of Paul, and insist that Paul was a false apostle. I don't know its attitude towards Talmud, but I would assume it rejects it since most Messianic Jews do, but I don't think it really talked about it.

c) The website http://www.torahofmessiah.com believes in all of the New Testament *including* letters of Paul, it just claims that Paul was misinterpretted by Christians. From their point of view, Paul believes the Torah should be observed, and Christians misinterpretted him to say that it shouldn't. That website rejects Talmud.

All three of those websites reject the divinity of Jesus, like I said. However, majority of Messianics accept the divinity of Jesus. And also the majority of Messianics accept all of New Testament and reject Talmud. But they keep Jewish law because they believe that Paul never said anything against it, and when it sounds like he did, it was misinterpretation by the Christians.

In any case, what is your perspective: which of those three websites do you find acceptable and which you don't? By acceptable I am not saying you yourself would agree with it, I am saying that you would be fine with your fellow Jews agreeing with it.

No Jew I know even thinks about Jesus and I have never ever heard a Jew speak against Jesus or Christians or any other religion in my whole lifetime.

Jews have no issue when gentiles are Chrsitian, but they have a lot of issues when a Jew converts to Christianity. There are websites devoted specifically to oppose Jewish conversion to Christianity. For example, "Jews for Judaism", "Outreach Judaism" and several others.

^^ The arabic word for Rhino is "Wahid el Qarn", which means one-horn.

)

I'm not getting into that

Certain religious Jews think it is a sin to convert to Christianity

but Messianic Jews has never been anything particularly pertinent as an issue and In Israel they do their own thing undisturbed.

look, they got you!

Judaism is against missionary activities, Jews don't persuade anyone to be Jewish.