If covid-19 was man made, what would be the motivation?

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10 Aug 2020, 5:36 am

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I'm just tired of Covid and of hearing about it! I wish it would get a virus of its own.

perhaps that is the germ of a solution.



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10 Aug 2020, 9:12 am

It would be much better if this “virus” was antiviral.



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10 Aug 2020, 9:16 am

I mean...maybe it was supposed to be a bioweapon, but whoever made it was really, really bad at making bioweapons?


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10 Aug 2020, 9:18 am

I mean... maybe it was supposed to be a fully-cooked pangolin fricassee, but whoever made it was really, really bad at making pangolin fricassee?



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10 Aug 2020, 9:33 am

auntblabby wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
I'm just tired of Covid and of hearing about it! I wish it would get a virus of its own.

perhaps that is the germ of a solution.


There is a category of viruses called "bacteriophages" that specialize in attacking bacteria (germs that infect another type of germs essentially). But I've never heard of a "virophage" (a virus that attacks other viruses).

But I just now noticed something. The Wrong Planet spell check function did NOT underline the word "virophage" when I typed it, which means it's a real word. Which means that virophages are a thing. Hmmmm.... I will hafta google the word.



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10 Aug 2020, 9:56 am

Yep.

There is an article about them in Wiki.

I learned back in seventh grade that human cells have a nucleus, that runs the cell. And outside the nucleus the cell has the cytoplasm (basically the rest of the cell). The nucleus is where the DNA is. A virus is just a package of DNA. Basically a brain with out a body. So a virus infects you by invading your cells and acting like a body snatcher ( a brain taking over the body of cells) in a cheesy movie, and commandeering the cytoplasm to reproduce itself. Your cell is commandeered...the viruses multiply until your cells bursts, and virus going flying out to infect other cells.

Later I learned that one celled mircrobes, and even bacteria, can be infected by viruses the same way. But its hard to image a body snatcher itself being attacked by another body snatcher...a virus attacking a virus would be like a bodyless brain attacking another bodyless brain (what would be the point?).

But apparently there are such things as "giant viruses". When they attack cells they bring their own reproductive machinery with them (not just a brain in a package, but some other stuff too). And when these giant viruses attack you, and start to commandeer your cells...they themselves can be attacked by virophages. Smaller viruses that attack the giant virus's own machinery, and commandeer THAT to make more of the virophage viruses. And sometimes this not only thwarts the first virus, but helps the host organism being attacked by the first virus. Amazing!

The trouble is that its only these small family of "giant viruses" that are susceptible to virophage attacks. Corvid is probably just an average sized regular kind of virus that would not be susceptible.


Any virus experts out there?



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10 Aug 2020, 10:02 am

Fnord wrote:
I mean... maybe it was supposed to be a fully-cooked pangolin fricassee, but whoever made it was really, really bad at making pangolin fricassee?


I vote for this.



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10 Aug 2020, 10:12 am

This discussion about a man-made coronavirus is completely batshit...



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10 Aug 2020, 10:12 am

Fnord wrote:
I mean... maybe it was supposed to be a fully-cooked pangolin fricassee, but whoever made it was really, really bad at making pangolin fricassee?


Exactly!


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10 Aug 2020, 10:40 am

QFT wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
This sort of thing.....animal to human transmission causing epidemics and pandemics—has been happening for centuries.


I was asking why didn't this particular one get transmitted till last year.[/quote

There are billions of animal viruses out there, and they are mutating all the time. It is extremely difficult for them to jump to humans, it requires both 1) the right mutations and 2) the right proximity to humans.

Imagine an alien came to Earth and had sex with a human. Would they get HIV? Probably not, because most humans do not have HIV. Even if they did, the alien might not be able to be infected with HIV because the virus is expecting human-like cells and doesn’t get them. Perhaps, by chance, eventually the alien has sex with someone who is infected with exactly the wrong strain of HIV - but in that time the alien has probably already got chlamydia a few times, maybe gonorrhoea, and has avoided getting HIV on many occasions.

(HIV is not the best analogy because it has a very high rate of mutation - more using it because people understand the prevalence)



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10 Aug 2020, 10:46 am

A communist country like China, gets rid of baby girls, have limited kids ect

Covid 19 and sars originated from there

One of the first countries to have social credit, tracking ect

"According to mainstream media we're globally overpopulated"