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09 Oct 2020, 11:56 pm

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It still cracks me up that people wrongly associate Facism with the right. It's clearly a leftwing idea. When you look at the origin of fascism a subject that is now shrouded in mist you come to a remarkable finding. That is that all the founders of original fascism were leftists. All of then were either Marxists, or socialists, or radicals associated in Britain with the Labour Party, in France with the Socialist Party, in Germany and Italy with either the Marxists or the Communists.

In other words, fascism was start to finish a left-wing phenomenon, that emerged out of a debate about the failed prophecies of Marx. Essentially, Marx predicted the revolution of the proletariat. It never happened. So, there was something called the “crisis of Marxism” in the early part of the 20th century. Out of that “crisis of Marxism” came two new variations of Marxism — very different from anything Marx would have predicted. The first was Leninist Bolshevism and the other was Italian Fascism.

It's baffling how misguided gaslighters still insist on pretending reactionary nationalism would belong anywhere but on the right. Generally their arguments include entirely redefining how right and left have been used historically as well as ignoring that fascists used fear of the left as one of their primary motivators and recruitment tools.

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10 Oct 2020, 12:07 am

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It still cracks me up that people wrongly associate Facism with the right. It's clearly a leftwing idea. When you look at the origin of fascism...

A definition and history: Fascism

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10 Oct 2020, 12:14 am

Equating fascism with the left is a alt-right wing passtime which lacks credible evidence

I am more interested in the "Patriots email" sent from Trump Jnr
“The President wants YOU and every other member of our exclusive Trump Army to have to something to identify yourselves with, and to let everyone now that you are the President’s first line of defense when to come to fighting off the Liberal MOB.”

Would that make him legally responsible if the next Kyle Rittenhouse waltzes into a BLM protest and kills people then says "but Trump said it was ok"?

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10 Oct 2020, 12:43 am

"Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

They sound like modern American Democrats.

Yet, we're suppose to believe NAZI are far-right wingers, who love freedom, and capitalism.

Likely, every fascist starts on the left, with populist promises of wealth sharing.

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10 Oct 2020, 12:51 am

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"Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

They sounds like modern American Democrats.

Yet, we're suppose to believe NAZI are far-right wingers, who love freedom, and capitalism.

Since when did far-right nationalists love globalist capitalism/neoliberalism? You're misguided if you believe the American right has ever universally been in favour of the free market. Paleocons and the rest of that part of the American right have always been hostile to the sort of economic policies supported by the neoliberal core of the GOP.

The ancestors of the alt-right are still on the right even if they don't fit your personal definition of the right. In order to put this into perspective you'll have to accept the definition everyone else is using.

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10 Oct 2020, 1:06 am

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It seems fair to say the right wants less government (more freedom).

Goals of both Boogaloo, and Michigan militia.

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10 Oct 2020, 1:09 am

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funeralxempire wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

It seems fair to say the right wants less government (more freedom).

Goals of both Boogaloo, and Michigan militia.

How exactly will their terrorist actions and plots accomplish that goal? Generally speaking guys going around pointing guns at their opponents are only reducing the level of freedom by using the implied threat of deadly violence to intimidate others from disagreeing with them or expressing viewpoints they find disagreeable.

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10 Oct 2020, 2:08 am

TheRobotLives wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

It seems fair to say the right wants less government (more freedom).

Goals of both Boogaloo, and Michigan militia.

Industrialists in Germany sided with the Nazis, and not only threw their support behind Hitler but eagerly collaborated with him in regard to Nazi expansion, war crimes, destruction of Germany's union movement, and human rights violations such as the use of slave labor. And they...
Wait a minute... did you just defend the boogaloo and Michigan militia fascists???

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10 Oct 2020, 2:48 am

TheRobotLives wrote:

It seems fair to say the right wants less government (more freedom).

Goals of both Boogaloo, and Michigan militia.

So let's get this straight.

You think its fair to ask for less government and more freedom (ok)
And the goals of the Boogaloo and Michigan Militia are the same (ok)
So does that mean Boogaloo and Michigan Militia are fair to say what they say??

That's like saying people who appreciate art are refined
Hitler loved art
therefore Hitler is a refined person

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10 Oct 2020, 9:00 am

cyberdad wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

It seems fair to say the right wants less government (more freedom).

Goals of both Boogaloo, and Michigan militia.

I am determining who is "far right".

Boogaloo and Michigan militia are called "far right" because they advocate for freedom from government.

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10 Oct 2020, 9:03 am

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Just been reading about the Proud Boys. Sounds like they are actual white supremacists. how can he be taken serious saying to them on live telly to 'stand by'?!

I'd like to say that will cost him votes but it probably won't.

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10 Oct 2020, 9:19 am

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I am determining who is "far right".

"Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

"Twenty-Five Points, called for the nationalization of corporations and trusts, revenue sharing, and the end of "interest slavery." Capitalism, the Nazis charged, "enslaves human beings under the slogan of progress, technology, rationalization, standardization, etc."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... story.html

How is Hitler a freedom loving, capitalist, anti-government far-right type?

He sounds like Bernie Sanders.

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10 Oct 2020, 1:28 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

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You know Bernie Sanders is a Jew, right? You also know that the NAZIs used slave labor to supply workers to businesses?

Anyway, form the sources you linked to:

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The Nazi Party grew significantly during 1921 and 1922, partly through Hitler's oratorical skills, partly through the SA's appeal to unemployed young men, and partly because there was a backlash against socialist and liberal politics in Bavaria as Germany's economic problems deepened and the weakness of the Weimar regime became apparent.

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The Fascists (Mussolini), like the Nazis, promoted a national rebirth of their country, as they opposed communism and liberalism; appealed to the working-class; opposed the Treaty of Versailles; and advocated the territorial expansion of their country.

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(in the 1920s) The Nazis' strongest appeal was to the lower middle-classes—farmers, public servants, teachers and small businessmen—who had suffered most from the inflation of the 1920s, so who feared Bolshevism more than anything else.

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(1930s) Some major business figures, such as Fritz Thyssen, were Nazi supporters and gave generously[74] and some Wall Street figures were allegedly involved,[75][page needed] but many other businessmen were suspicious of the extreme nationalist tendencies of the Nazis and preferred to support the traditional conservative parties instead.

Some left-wing anti-capitalist movement! The first thing they did when they grabbed power was to shut down the unions.

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10 Oct 2020, 1:30 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

It seems fair to say the right wants less government (more freedom).

Goals of both Boogaloo, and Michigan militia.

I am determining who is "far right".

Boogaloo and Michigan militia are called "far right" because they advocate for freedom from government.

So, you are an anarchist.

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10 Oct 2020, 1:42 pm

Jiheisho wrote:

So, you are an anarchist.

I am autistic, 1/2 human / 1/2 robot.

My robot side is trying to determine the classification for "far right".

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10 Oct 2020, 4:09 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

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So, you are an anarchist.

I am autistic, 1/2 human / 1/2 robot.

My robot side is trying to determine the classification for "far right".

Historically it's referred to nationalists and traditionalists. Conservative and reactionaries often have different interpretations of those ideas (nationalism and traditionalism), but that doesn't mean only one or the other can claim to be rooted in them.

Libertarians exist on both the right and the left. The definition you keep using for the right appears to basically be the definition of libertarianism.

Being pro-capitalist doesn't inherently make one 'right wing', being anti-capitalist has never made one not part of the right.

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