Why do some Americans want Trump?

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You think Biden is a socialist/communist???


What's wrong with wearing masks in public?

Apparently you didn't notice this, but the remainder of your post contains excellent reasons to believe that wearing masks in public is indeed effective at preventing the spread of CoViD. More about this further down....


Very unlikely.


Please don't confuse peaceful protests with "riots". The BLM protests were mostly peaceful. The looting was done not by the protestors but by criminal gangs taking advantage of the protests as a distraction.

Anyhow, you wonder why BLM protests "miraculously" did not result in huge outbreaks of CoViD? Probably because the BLM protesters wore masks.


Probably because there were a lot more people not wearing masks during Trump rallies and other conservative events?

Nothing even slightly mysterious or miraculous here at all. Just evidence that masks work.

I certainly wouldn't describe the U.S. electoral system as "one-party" -- that description may have been true back in the 1960's or so, when there really was very little difference between the Democratic and Republican parties. But the parties have grown further and further apart since the late 1970's, and especially within the past 15 years or so.

Yes, it's true that both parties have, to a large degree, neglected the working class. The reason for that is the weakening of the labor movement. (Unions have atrophied, and there hasn't been any other, similarly massive grouping of workers, in their interests as workers, to replace traditional labor unions.)

But the solution is not to elect a total whack job as President!

There are two main possible sources of influence over what politicians do: (1) money and (2) organized pressure groups. If the interests of a major demographic are not being represented by any politicians, and if the people in that demographic don't have a lot of money, then what they need to do is to organize a cohesive pressure group. And a pressure group, in turn, can be sustainable only if it is rooted in other, larger organizations, subcultures, or other groupings that serve more-than-just-political purposes, such as labor unions.

Electoral politics is downstream from pressure group politics.

I speak as a person who has been intermittently involved in a political and social movement that has succeeded beyond my wildest dreams, namely the LGBT rights movement. (I'm bisexual.)

Most Americans, alas, don't seem to understand the role of pressure groups in politics, nor see it as a way to get their own interests represented in politics, in the absence of a lot of money.

If I was The Big Business...

I mean if I was an unethical but powerful lobbyist interested in controlling US govenment...

If I was such a party, in American system, I would interfere with pre-elections but not elections.
Only two candidates count. So, if I had some ethically dubious tools of pressure, I would use them on the stage of chosing parties' candidates. It's just two parties, not a big deal logistically. Just make sure to block anyone who would risk harming my interests.
Then, let them have their campaigns and elections.

Well, yes, of course there are wealthy folks and various organized entities that donate large amounts of money to primary election campaigns of politicians in both parties, for precisely that reason.

The question is what those of us without a lot of money can do.

This was a problem only in Republican-dominated states that refused the Medicaid expansion that was part of Obamacare. Here in New York State we not only have the Medicaid expansion, we also have "Essential Plans" that are the next tier up from Medicaid in terms of qualifying income level.

I wish my Inner Machiavelli knew...

After a bath together Machiavelli gave me an answer:

At this stage, acknowledge as many elephants in the room as possible. Knowledge is power.

Well, yes, of course, but the important question is what kinds of actions can be taken.

What's necessary, in my opinion, is to build community, and then build political groups rooted in one's community. Please see my post here.

Finally, An Answer To Why So Many People Voted For Trump

Contains a link to the Braver Angels website, which looks more interesting than the article itself. "Braver Angels" is a project to try to bring people together across political divides, to have more civil discourse.

EDIT: From the "Braver Angels" site, I found the following other, possibly worthwhile sites on facilitating dialogue across political divides in the U.S.A.:

- Jefferson Dinners
- Bridge Alliance
- Listen First Project

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From the website:

Most people probably voted for Trump because he’s a Republican, and he was the nominee.

Most people vote for their party affiliation, regardless of the person who happens to be the nominee.

You certainly have some racists, bigots amongst people who voted for Trump. Some are overtly racist; others are more subtle about it. I don’t believe all who voted Republican were necessarily racist, bigoted, etc, though. Some people just don’t think, and voted for Trump out of party loyalty.

I want him, because he respects the sanctity of all human life from the womb to the tomb.

Don't forget Hillary Clinton. A lot of independent voters didn't care for her. Not simply because she was a woman, but because of a perceived sense of entitlement. She was first lady, then a senator from New York (where she'd never lived before), then Sec. of State under Obama. She was a CLINTON and seemed to have this sense that she was a shoe-in for the presidency.

In 2016, I think many were turned off by this and voted for Trump, political outsider, in protest.

This and the fact that he actually got some companies to stay within the USA and kept some jobs before voting started.

At the end of the day most just want to make sure they could put food on the table, go to bed in a warm house, not worry about being attacked, and have a stable life. And remember, his first run was against Clinton. She was open about how she hated the average American. And she was extremely known to be corrupt and morally bankrupt.



I remember that. Luckily/unluckily I made so little I was given a waver. But they wanted me to pay $8k a year and I think $10k before anything paid off if I remember right.



You're looking at the stereotype. Much of both sides are 1 in the same. But I highly recommend you to actually research stuff. Like look at what areas voted for Trump or red in the past few runs. What you will find is the major cities tend to be blue, while poorer areas tend to be red. How could rich be for but not vote for, and poor be for dem but vote the other way?
Anyways, both sides at the end is pretty much the same but lately. Due to AOC and a few others, they went on the deep end. And it has gotten to the point that some that seemed to be a bit left are now viewed as part of the right.

As far as why socialist is viewed as a bad word here is when it is talked about it's the extreme. We aren't in a capitalist society, and we aren't in a socialist society. You can't have companies do what they do now in a socialist society, but you can't have free schools for kids in a capitalist society. We are currently in the middle somewhere. I think most would agree to things like UBI and other things if it could be paid for. But some of the bills that were in the works was things like they want you to not have your house hotter than 70 degrees F, for gas cars to be illegal, and so on. That stuff was coming out with Obama but never made it through. Like they wanted gov cars to drive around and private cars to have something that connects to all homes with a thermostat to let them know if your house is too hot or cold. If so, then you get a fine even if you can't afford to turn on the heat to keep it around 70 degrees. But again at the same time they wanted to get rid of gas cars.

Basically, just do the basic research and you can see what is up.




What do you say about the mass voting fraud? The videos, wittiness, and so on.

But why do you hate him so much? Why do you even care? It doesn't sound like you even live in this country, nor plan to. It just sounds like another person spouting info and much of what I read from you is highly untrue.





Dude I was in a blue state. You don't know what you're talking about.





I agree with this statement. But I seen a lot really go out of their way due to a want of increase in jobs. Like when Clinton was running, she didn't have much of anything going on when it came to that. And Biden was talking about removing oil by 2024. I think most are OK with oil not being a thing. But you have to replace it. Like how the ice industry was the largest in the world, but it went away when refrigerators made ice boxes obsolete.

As far as the racist and others. Is groups calling white people racist for being white not racist themselves? Is groups that hold believes that all Trump supporters are racist bad? My point is, you don't hear this from any other group than the left. So logic says, there is more of these types who voted left, and it's supported by the cadet since he pushed for some of it. Even more his VP, she said a bunch of crap that pushed that mindset.
With that being said, not all on both sides are this way. But I 100% can tell you there is people who normally vote straight left that voted straight right due to the name calling from the left. Where if their ideas get challenge and a debate is requested. Then they call the other side some ism and walk away.



Prove it is peaceful. Seriously.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-fo ... d-marxist/
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/ ... -heres-why
https://www.tampabay.com/news/nation-wo ... -movement/

Just a heads up, BLM isn't actually for black lives. It's just a stupid slogan they hide under which does a bait and switch. There is plenty of stories showing this and a ton of evidence. Long story short, there was a group out in Boston that wanted to eliminate violence in the city. The group was black ran, and basically they used the CDC model on how they treat viruses. The thought was violence spread like a virus and this caused black on black violence to be the one of the biggest thing that kills black people. They went out of their way and sent people out to help talk situations down as they were reported. They would also work with the cops to figure out where things started, who was involved, and a general on what happened. Anyways, they did what they could to talk people down and have people simply talk about their problems vs shooting or whatever. This made the most dangerous streets in the area the safest.
They ended up going to BLM to ask them to spread this to other places to help everyone across the nation. BLM refused to. I forgot the exact statement, but more than less it gotten into it didn't match up with their goals and that they will not work with the cops. The group and others investigated BLM after this since it was a bit odd to refuse to help spread a program that didn't cost that much to run and saved a ton of black lives. It turned out the heads of the group their goal was to get rid of property rights, and that cops are only there to protect property rights. Property rights include the shirt on your back.

Like the slogan does everyone in general agree. Yes. But the group is pretty much another terrorist group that uses slogans to trick the public into supporting something they most likely would never support.
All of this could be easily looked up. I highly suggest you to do your research on them, Antifa, and their link.

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I think people at the end of the day just wants a stable life. Trump was/is viewed as an outsider and during the first run he actually fought and got a company to stay within the USA. Like he started working on his promises before voting started.
As far as job wise goes, he has helped out many. But sadly, he hasn't gone far enough and he refuses to embrace tech (remote work).

I think most aren't happy about given things. Like with me it's his FTC chairman. But I think the far far far majority is too worried about losing their job, their kids not having a job, and them not having a job if they get fired. And again, I think most just want a stable life and knew Clinton wouldn't provide it. And many remember how Biden pushed a crap ton of jobs to China, and did jack to get them back.
Assuming the dems start actually working towards making it easier for companies to start up, for people to get a job, and working towards more jobs. Then you will see the same people jump towards them. But since they spent 4 years blaming Trump for all the things, showing 0 evidence, and kept going with orange man bad because orange man bad. I seriously doubt this will happen anytime soon. And because the rep before and now are also not pushing for more jobs and people to have access to a stable life. I worry about what happens after Trump.

Like who gives any care about someone with a bad mouth when they themselves have to seriously question where their next meal is coming from if they lose their job?


BTW I voted for Trump, but if Yang had a real shot at being on the ticket. I would've voted for him because of the UBI thing. And if Clinton didn't steal it from Bernie, I think he would've won against Trump. But now it has been proven he could be paid off by the Clintons. I don't think he will ever win.