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11 Nov 2020, 7:50 pm

cyberdad wrote:
The Germans noticed the similarity to "Mein fuhrer" back in 2016
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37895601

Then during his term in office
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ys-fascism

And now with the attack on the voting process it again echoes those dark days of the 1930s in Germany
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmany.html

There's 70 million Americans who need to do some soul searching that they would put their trust in a madman.


The real danger is elsewhere.
Won't I be laughing if the real threat to the world, and Australia in particular, happens while people are distracted by media nonsense?

BTW, how do you like your rice, cyber?
Boiled or fried? :mrgreen:



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11 Nov 2020, 7:53 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Trump creating his own military loyal only to him so that he can stay in power has been a long running theme.


Wasn't there a similar theme started in 2016 where people were claiming he would lead the U.S.A. into new wars if he was elected?

There was a similar theme in 1935.


Any possibility you could elaborate: I thought that elections (and hence related change of President) only occurred every 4 years in the U.S.A., so that would be an annomolous year for a presidential change (with associated concerns the new president would be leading the U.S.A. into new wars), given that this is what is under discussion.

Some reference material (news articles showing where there were concerns that the new\potential new President of the U.S.A. was likely to cause new wars to start, for example) would certainly help with confirmation of your claim...

Not here in the US.A similar theme where an angry man created his very own loyal army.
He had a funny mustache.


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11 Nov 2020, 7:55 pm

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There is one thing to consider.  Donald Trump, being not a veteran, seems to be operating under the assumption that all military people will blindly follow their leaders, no matter what.

This assumption is invalid.

Military members will blindly follow their leaders when:

1. There is no other option (We already have Joseph Biden).
2. The leader is a military hero (Donald Trump is a draft-dodger).
3. The enemy is already on the run (We are not the enemy, and we are staying put).
4. The war is over and everybody is going home (The Second Civil War has not even started).
5. The leader is in the hearse at the head of the procession (Not likely, and not any time soon).

Replacing the defense officials with people loyal to Mr. Trump will only serve to further alienate the real military members and veterans, especially the Chiefs of Staff.

Let Mr. Trump try to enact Martial Law.  Then we can all watch the military stage a coup and install Mr. Biden as the lawfully-elected president instead.

Only 70 more days until Mr. Biden is sworn in anyway, so if Mr. Trump is going to do something stupid, then he had better do it soon.

:wink: I mean, something even more stupid than anything he has already done so far.


Like I said.
Hyperbolic fantasy. ;)



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11 Nov 2020, 7:55 pm

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The Germans noticed the similarity to "Mein fuhrer" back in 2016
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37895601

Then during his term in office
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ys-fascism

And now with the attack on the voting process it again echoes those dark days of the 1930s in Germany
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmany.html

There's 70 million Americans who need to do some soul searching that they would put their trust in a madman.


The real danger is elsewhere.
Won't I be laughing if the real threat to the world, and Australia in particular, happens while people are distracted by media nonsense?

BTW, how do you like your rice, cyber?
Boiled or fried? :mrgreen:


I was throwing some support for Mona (who I thought was your friend too?) who said there are some similarities with 1935.

Trump and his supporters aren't Nazis but they are going down a dangerous path that others before them have trodden.



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11 Nov 2020, 8:00 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Trump creating his own military loyal only to him so that he can stay in power has been a long running theme.


Wasn't there a similar theme started in 2016 where people were claiming he would lead the U.S.A. into new wars if he was elected?

There was a similar theme in 1935.


Any possibility you could elaborate: I thought that elections (and hence related change of President) only occurred every 4 years in the U.S.A., so that would be an annomolous year for a presidential change (with associated concerns the new president would be leading the U.S.A. into new wars), given that this is what is under discussion.

Some reference material (news articles showing where there were concerns that the new\potential new President of the U.S.A. was likely to cause new wars to start, for example) would certainly help with confirmation of your claim...

Not here in the US.A similar theme where an angry man created his very own loyal army.
He had a funny mustache.


So, you are worried that Trump may possibly be another Hitler?

Let me set your mind at ease.
There will be no martial law, instigated by Trump, with the intention of maintaining his dictatorship Presidency.
I promise you that.
Have I ever been wrong before? 8O
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Don't answer that. :mrgreen:



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11 Nov 2020, 8:09 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The Germans noticed the similarity to "Mein fuhrer" back in 2016
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37895601

Then during his term in office
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ys-fascism

And now with the attack on the voting process it again echoes those dark days of the 1930s in Germany
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmany.html

There's 70 million Americans who need to do some soul searching that they would put their trust in a madman.


The real danger is elsewhere.
Won't I be laughing if the real threat to the world, and Australia in particular, happens while people are distracted by media nonsense?

BTW, how do you like your rice, cyber?
Boiled or fried? :mrgreen:


I was throwing some support for Mona (who I thought was your friend too?) who said there are some similarities with 1935.


There you go again.
Misinterpreting my intentions. <sigh>

Ok, let me break it down.
-Are you are saying, that because I have my own opinion, I am attacking Mona?
-Are you saying, I have to support my friends right or wrong?
-Are you saying, Mona doesn't have ample support without *your* support?
-Are you saying, Mona can't defend her position herself?

What *are* you saying, here? :scratch:



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11 Nov 2020, 8:12 pm

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The Germans noticed the similarity to "Mein fuhrer" back in 2016
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37895601

Then during his term in office
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ys-fascism

And now with the attack on the voting process it again echoes those dark days of the 1930s in Germany
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmany.html

There's 70 million Americans who need to do some soul searching that they would put their trust in a madman.


The real danger is elsewhere.
Won't I be laughing if the real threat to the world, and Australia in particular, happens while people are distracted by media nonsense?

BTW, how do you like your rice, cyber?
Boiled or fried? :mrgreen:


I was throwing some support for Mona (who I thought was your friend too?) who said there are some similarities with 1935.


There you go again.
Misinterpreting my intentions. <sigh>

Ok, let me break it down.
-Are you are saying, that because I have my own opinion, I am attacking Mona?
-Are you saying, I have to support my friends right or wrong?
-Are you saying, Mona doesn't have ample support without *your* support?
-Are you saying, Mona can't defend her position herself?

What *are* you saying, here? :scratch:


Nope...just saying I was throwing support behind Mona that's all.



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11 Nov 2020, 8:57 pm

He likes Mona, better than you. Deal with it, Pepe. :ninja:



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11 Nov 2020, 10:16 pm

Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Trump creating his own military loyal only to him so that he can stay in power has been a long running theme.


Wasn't there a similar theme started in 2016 where people were claiming he would lead the U.S.A. into new wars if he was elected?

There was a similar theme in 1935.


Any possibility you could elaborate: I thought that elections (and hence related change of President) only occurred every 4 years in the U.S.A., so that would be an annomolous year for a presidential change (with associated concerns the new president would be leading the U.S.A. into new wars), given that this is what is under discussion.

Some reference material (news articles showing where there were concerns that the new\potential new President of the U.S.A. was likely to cause new wars to start, for example) would certainly help with confirmation of your claim...

Not here in the US.A similar theme where an angry man created his very own loyal army.
He had a funny mustache.


So, you are worried that Trump may possibly be another Hitler?

Let me set your mind at ease.
There will be no martial law, instigated by Trump, with the intention of maintaining his dictatorship Presidency.
I promise you that.
Have I ever been wrong before? 8O
Show Spoiler
Don't answer that. :mrgreen:

I’m just mentioning the similarities.
https://www.shankerinstitute.org/blog/c ... al-order-0


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11 Nov 2020, 10:52 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The Germans noticed the similarity to "Mein fuhrer" back in 2016
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37895601

Then during his term in office
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ys-fascism

And now with the attack on the voting process it again echoes those dark days of the 1930s in Germany
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmany.html

There's 70 million Americans who need to do some soul searching that they would put their trust in a madman.


The real danger is elsewhere.
Won't I be laughing if the real threat to the world, and Australia in particular, happens while people are distracted by media nonsense?

BTW, how do you like your rice, cyber?
Boiled or fried? :mrgreen:


I was throwing some support for Mona (who I thought was your friend too?) who said there are some similarities with 1935.


There you go again.
Misinterpreting my intentions. <sigh>

Ok, let me break it down.
-Are you are saying, that because I have my own opinion, I am attacking Mona?
-Are you saying, I have to support my friends right or wrong?
-Are you saying, Mona doesn't have ample support without *your* support?
-Are you saying, Mona can't defend her position herself?

What *are* you saying, here? :scratch:


Nope...just saying I was throwing support behind Mona that's all.


Whether you agree with what she says or not? 8O

We work differently, here in Australia. 8)
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Except for you. :mrgreen:



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11 Nov 2020, 10:54 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
He likes Mona, better than you. Deal with it, Pepe. :ninja:


But I have my integrity. :mrgreen:



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12 Nov 2020, 2:15 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
He likes Mona, better than you. Deal with it, Pepe. :ninja:


I like everyone on WP brother...even those who have actively tried to have me removed.



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12 Nov 2020, 2:25 am

Fnord wrote:
There is one thing to consider.  Donald Trump, being not a veteran, seems to be operating under the assumption that all military people will blindly follow their leaders, no matter what.

This assumption is invalid.

[...]

Replacing the defense officials with people loyal to Mr. Trump will only serve to further alienate the real military members and veterans, especially the Chiefs of Staff.

Let Mr. Trump try to enact Martial Law.  Then we can all watch the military stage a coup and install Mr. Biden as the lawfully-elected president instead.

Only 70 more days until Mr. Biden is sworn in anyway, so if Mr. Trump is going to do something stupid, then he had better do it soon.

:wink: I mean, something even more stupid than anything he has already done so far.


Given that the military vote was overwhelmingly for Biden, and given the military's oath to defend the Constitution, it is highly unlikely that Trump could succeed in staging a military coup to keep himself in power past January 20.

But I wouldn't put it past Trump and his appointees to try such a thing. I also wouldn't put it past Trump to call for a violent uprising by QAnon fans. Although neither of these would be likely to succeed, they could cause quite a bit of chaos -- and a period of military vulnerability for the U.S.A.


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12 Nov 2020, 2:28 am

cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
He likes Mona, better than you. Deal with it, Pepe. :ninja:


I like everyone on WP brother...even those who have actively tried to have me removed.



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Iirc I wrote, this needs to stop, not you need to leave.



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12 Nov 2020, 2:30 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
He likes Mona, better than you. Deal with it, Pepe. :ninja:


I like everyone on WP brother...even those who have actively tried to have me removed.



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Iirc I wrote, this needs to stop, not you need to leave.


Not you brother, I was referring to others who tried.



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12 Nov 2020, 2:37 am

cyberdad wrote:
I think its no secret that Trump draws more support from white male veterans than from any other cohort in the American public. Just check the election data.


Hey now, no need to insult veterans on Remembrance Day..


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