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What's the most peaceful religion? (or non-religion)
Christianity 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Islam 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Judaism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Buddhism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Hinduism 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Pagan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Wiccan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Satanism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Atheism 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Jainism 38%  38%  [ 8 ]
Sikhism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Shinto 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Bahai 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Rastafarianism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Confucianism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Taoism 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Hoahaoism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Agnostic 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 19%  19%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 21

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10 Dec 2020, 6:58 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
And you derived this characterization of Quakers from....?

Quakers I've talked to?

I might have used an off-putting phrase or two so I'll try saying it a different way:

1) There are meetings where people take turns leading prayer and meditation.
2) There really isn't a traditional ceremony in the catholic sense, just meditation and some discussion.
3) The really isn't a lot of ornamentation - the prayer area is kept relatively simple.
4) The focus is on an inward relationship with God.

Do these sound correct?


Sounds right to me. I went to a Quaker run summer camp, and thats pretty much how they did stuff. I liked it.



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10 Dec 2020, 8:04 am

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The language does not bother me and I wasn’t insulted. So, I think I am the one who inadvertently sounded like I was criticizing you. I should have used more emojis. I apologize. It’s just you are usually so articulate and well-read, it seemed jarring that you were missing the boat here.

I think this is one of those areas where everyone runs the risk of getting into trouble all the time for socializing, particularly when the content of socializing itself tends to be things that you may often only have partial knowledge or half-baked understandings of. In my case with Quakerism it was knowing the gestalt or shape of the container without key specifics. I really can't know everything, if I have to run out to Wiki before I speak on any point I'd be worried that I'd trapped myself in some way. Similarly if people were overeager to whack me if I missed a point or got something wrong I'd worry that I've either unknowingly or in other people's minds morphed into some sort of awful know-it-all whose just really good at evading responsibility when he's wrong, I really try to disqualify those frames because it's never been what I've wanted - if anything in general on here I've wanted to, at least when I do what I'm usually doing, trying to elevate the conversation frame because it's more interesting.

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Quakers emphasize transformation and what good can be done in this life, rather than salvation.
When praying, Quakers listen to God rather than talk to God.
Rather than a single minister, everyone is a minister. The organization is ground up. There are no authorities.
There is wide latitude in details one chooses when worshiping.
Quaker practice is based on a few basic testimonies: Peace, Truth, Equality, Simplicity.

This is where it tends to drift IMHO away from more ruggedly traditional forms of Christianity in that it treats itself more like a psychotechnology, or a system of practice, than a monolithic revealed truth. It has that last bit in common with some of the traditions I mentioned above, that it's a community of praxis more than creed.


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10 Dec 2020, 10:32 am

For the vast majority of Quakers, there is a monolithic source of truth called God. Quakers do not believe that one needs a priest, minister, pope, or other intermediary to connect to God.

I had to look up psychotechnology and perhaps Quaker worship could be categorized as a mental psychotechnology.

And I looked up praxis as well...and I could agree that Quakers worship is a practice rather than a creed. Quakers do not really have anything like other Christians have creeds. They do practice their faith as in walking the walk and acting to make this world better.

I understand you can't look up everything on whatever you post. It's just that in the context of this thread, it sounded like you were explaining to Steve1963 and KT67 what Quakers were. :D :D :D


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10 Dec 2020, 1:30 pm

I would say either Buddhism or Christianity (The New T. part at least).



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24 Dec 2020, 5:17 pm

A someone who is a warm polydeist (I fled agnostic atheism 4 years ago and I will not be argumentative on this thread in pertainment to what multiple deities I acknowledge to exist & I’m not affiliated with any new religious movement), I have always believed that any collective religious or spiritual denomination is never impeccable to any form of deterministically perversive infiltration from adhering false prophets, and this of course can apply to spiritual mysticism, neopaganism and to all of the consensually harmonious religions regarded as peaceful or pacifist such as Buddhism, Hinduism Jainism, Taoism and the Baháʼí Faith.

I know I’m being a little digressive, but I just keep to my own individualized spiritual/metaphysical and religious belief framework (which bewilders me to why not more aspies/autistics have this) on what I subjectively consider to be “truth” as I prefer not to succumb to be subordinated into any collective ideology, with the inclusion of the “Hyperianism” doctrine).


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25 Dec 2020, 12:31 am

TheRedPedant93 wrote:
I have always believed that any collective religious or spiritual denomination is never impeccable to any form of deterministically perversive infiltration from adhering false prophets, and this of course can apply to spiritual mysticism, neopaganism and to all of the consensually harmonious religions regarded as peaceful or pacifist such as Buddhism, Hinduism Jainism, Taoism and the Baháʼí Faith.

Wherever you have any sort of social power or resource structure you'll have grifters and rent-seekers, guaranteed. It's part of why I try my best these days to catch on to things before they fill up with the usual.


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