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29 Jan 2021, 5:50 am

What kind of academic qualifications does one acquire from being a "Gamer", anyway?

Most modern games - there are exceptions, though - aren't exactly known for their cerebral nature.

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29 Jan 2021, 6:22 am

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And when they do, it tends to be a case of not caring for the experiences of specific individuals over the general 'cause'.

For eg the way Natalie Wynn is hated because she likes to be seen as 'she' on first glance.

Natalie's case is an odd case at a failure of intersectionality within areas of the Left. That she was attacked because she simply explained something that was a minor inconvenience in what she said did greater good, but an honest statement none the less that should be allowed to be talked about within intersectionality. That people were quick to assign that she was calling for certain things, when her history should be pretty clear that she is not a truscum.

She has not had it easy if reports of alcoholism are to be believed, but I would like to believe that it has helped create some antibodies against the fringe that take things a bit far. The whole thing is tricky when the online Left are trying to both push things forward and question everything. Especially their own side.

But it kind of feels like at the moment one of the fringe elements a bit of a problem is the likes of Jimmy Dore, who is practically working with fascists to own the libs, playing it like he is a true Left and Centrist with his reaching out to certain people while attacking others.

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29 Jan 2021, 6:24 am

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What kind of academic qualifications does one acquire from being a "Gamer", anyway?

Most modern games - there are exceptions, though - aren't exactly known for their cerebral nature.

Thoughts turn to the likes of Gamergate, where people were using the identity of "Gamer" as a rally cry, and it was certain irrational targets that it was being aimed at.

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29 Jan 2021, 6:39 am

I differentiate between "Social Justice Activist" and "Social Justice Warrior", the latter being a pejorative describing a fragile as*hole with a "woke" world view.

A bad combination of growing up in an "everybody gets a trophy" world where they are not taught how to properly deal with adversity and many prominent "conservatives" by their words and actions repeatedly giving them validation and the moral high ground they do not deserve.

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29 Jan 2021, 6:50 am

I thought the difference between "Social Justice Activist" and "Social Justice Warrior" boils down to the "Warrior" being mainly interested in fights and "Activist" being focused on spreading awareness of problems and seeking possible improvements.

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29 Jan 2021, 7:00 am

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I thought the difference between "Social Justice Activist" and "Social Justice Warrior" boils down to the "Warrior" being mainly interested in "fighting 'em" and "Activist" being more focused on spreading awareness and seeking possible improvements.

"Fragile" or very easily triggered is part of the definition. Just type in "SJW triggered" on YouTube

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29 Jan 2021, 7:02 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

This sounds like the dismissive attitude of someone who falls into the “old dog, can’t teach him new tricks,” category of set in their ways rigid thinking people who refuse to accept social change & in turn refuse to give any of the young social changers any of the respect they deserve.

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29 Jan 2021, 7:04 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

"Fragile" or very easily triggered is part of the definition. Just type in "SJW triggered" on YouTube

I would rather not. Especially for the kind of people that make those videos.

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29 Jan 2021, 7:04 am

magz wrote:

I would say the difference is that activists are offline in the real world joining actual protests, whereas warriors is a pejorative term to refer to online activists/“slacktivists,” and the warriors part comes from “keyboard warriors.”

But that’s just my take on it.

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29 Jan 2021, 7:08 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

"Fragile" or very easily triggered is part of the definition. Just type in "SJW triggered" on YouTube

I very much dislike Youtube as a source of political knowledge - there's everything out there but the algorithms will feed the user to please whatever bias that user already has.
Algorithms developed to fit your taste in entertainment will fit your bias when used for politics.

Also, I need to care for my own sanity.

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29 Jan 2021, 7:22 am

Some people are more susceptible to brain washing than others, those that are SJW fit in that category. Not just Aspies it affects, neurotypicals too

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29 Jan 2021, 7:45 am

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kraftiekortie wrote:

Alt-Right folks play the “victim card” at least as much as SJWs.

They say things like “I’m discriminated against because I am white,”

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It is like an entire meme how people on the far right, and right wing religious groups, want so bad to be victims. You can see it so much likely where they are crying that they are being censored on social media, or receive any social consequences to spreading their bigotry.

Let's try a thought experiment here, using America as an example.

Imagine if a proposal was put forward to divide America into two separate nations, with the "rightists" (conservative voting, Trump supporting, mostly white etc) in one nation, and the "leftists" (liberal left voting, more non-white, more LGBT etc) in another nation. Who do you think would be more likely to welcome this and who would be more likely to protest against it?

Well, it's obvious that the rightists would be more likely to welcome this, and the leftists would be more likely to protest it. In fact, actual calls for secession come almost exclusively from the so-called far right. (Well, there was the Nation of Islam too, but the liberal-left don't like them either.)

So this just shows that the complaints of each side are qualitatively different. To spell it out: since those on "the left" refuse to even consider separation from their so-called oppressors, their complaints about their "oppression" are for the most part hollow, and are just a never-ending pretext to grab more privileges for themselves.

Hey in this imaginary scenario that happened in my head the left did bad things when the right acted heroically. That proves the right are the good guys!

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29 Jan 2021, 7:53 am

Bradleigh wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

"Fragile" or very easily triggered is part of the definition. Just type in "SJW triggered" on YouTube

I would rather not. Especially for the kind of people that make those videos.

These kinds of videos tend to have autistic, mentally ill or especially young people in them.

It's not a healthy mode of thinking, the whole 'cringe' thing.

Hint: if someone is using 'triggered' as an insult, they do not understand what it really is to be triggered. It's being 'back there' in your mind. If you don't want to be "SJW" about it: think about a soldier who's come back from war with PTSD and hears fireworks and thinks/feels/imagines he's back on the battlefield. He's being triggered. Nobody should wish that on anybody! It shouldn't be used as a flippant word meaning 'reacting to' or 'tantruming'.

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29 Jan 2021, 9:13 am

slam_thunderhide wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

Alt-Right folks play the “victim card” at least as much as SJWs.

They say things like “I’m discriminated against because I am white,”

Bradleigh wrote:

Wait, how would you separate out LGBT people in this scenario? If someone starts to act a bit too gay without saying "no homo" in conservative country do they exiled to progressive country.

The difference here is that the Left generally accept that the separation idea based on this morality is just going to create bigger victims, otherwise sacrificing some people oppressors that are only going to get worse. Not to evoke Godwin's Law, but it would probably kind of just create a Nazi like state that will start rounding up the unwanted people that they can't just throw out, until they don't want to look after them anymore.

I don't think it is a contradiction that the Left would not want to create a hyper conservative state made up of religious fundamentalists and anti-foreigners. Progress should be made in a society, not by separating how the desirables and undesirables, because history teaches that this tends to not end well.

And who is trying to grab privileges? The gay people? Is the gay agenda trying to become some sort of masters of privilege to make everyone else their slaves?

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29 Jan 2021, 9:28 am

KT67 wrote:

Natalie did a good video not too long ago (I think several months) on cringe, how it can be so easy to consume, and how it can be toxic.

It had wonderful shots like this.

And it kind of seemed that a couple of the people called out were the likes of Blaire White and Kalvin Garrah in how they have weaponised cringe for their own community, and have not been doing too hot recently in how it looks like they have been exposed for being a bit disingenuous with the targets. Blaire straight up lying where she could only play it off by trying hard that she did no research, and Kalvin in how he has been outed for how he has used to his audience to after people who should not deserve harassment and even kids.

Cringe is so cringe.

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29 Jan 2021, 9:33 am

Cringe ain't groovy.

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