What someone has said about abortion on another forum.

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The "abortion is only allowed if the woman's life is in danger" -rule is pretty vague... I mean, pregnancy and birth giving always put a woman's life at risk. Always, so in theory, abortion should always be allowed according to that rule. That rule usually only looks at the woman's physical health, but what about mental health? What if the woman commits suicide because of the pregnancy? Back in the old days it was quite common for pregnant, unmarried women to kill themselves before anyone found out about the pregnancy. Of course, if the stigma that comes from getting pregnant outside of marriage/steady relationship was removed (and that too usually only affects the women btw... the men who cause the pregnancies should also get a stigma if the women do to... but the problem is that it's hard to prove which man is responsible), then that would lessen the risks on mental health of the pregnant women, but something like that doesn't happen during one or two generations, unless you made shaming unmarried pregnant women downright illegal and heavily punishable or something.

Anyway, my point is that I agree with the post quoted on the first page.

There’s nothing wrong with abortion, as long as the person receiving the abortion consents.

The “if you don’t want kids then don’t have sex” attitude is silly. It suggests that children are a punishment for having sex. If someone accidentally gets pregnant, or deliberately gets pregnant and then changes their mind, they should not be condemned to keep carrying a zef they don’t want.

The only 100% sure form of conception is abstinence -- an unrealistic goal, however.

And while children are not punishment for sex -- in spite of what some religionists may tell you -- many parents seem to treat them that way (I should know; I was one of those children).

Well...whether I like it or not...abortion is LEGAL at present time, so no woman who births a child can escape responsibility for that child. Once you HAVE a child, your choice in the matter is gone. Is that still controlling women?

No, I'm not a fan, and I don't believe that abortion as an individual right even holds up. Choices that lead to conception are within one's individual rights with the assumption of any consequences that might follow. Once you conceive a life, you are responsible for that life. That has nothing to do with controlling women, but with protecting life.

In the event a girl becomes pregnant through force, I see abortion as a matter of self-defense. But I still think there is responsibility for the newly-conceived life, so rapists should be held accountable for the death of aborted babies. And naturally I do think in the case of a baby directly threatening the mother's life, it remains a self-defense question. If there is NO WAY POSSIBLE to bring the baby to term and BOTH survive, I believe the woman has the right to make the call to terminate the baby and save herself and that she should feel no guilt whatsoever over that choice. It is certainly noble to put the baby's life ahead of your own, but no one should feel any sense of obligation to consider the needs of others ahead of their own when it's a matter of life and death. In every other situation of life, the right of one person to exist ALWAYS limits the rights of others to act as they please. The rights of the unborn should not be an exception.

Making the mother solely responsible for the well-being of her children while the father can freely abdicate his responsibility is a form of female enslavement.  Both parents should be held fully accountable.  Along with this, no person should be forced to raise a child that is not his or her own.

And how about you go deal with your self esteem problems elswhere. And before you rant about being attacked you started it with your stupid comment. I was addressing my opinions but guess you can't do that here.

Way I see it, I don't need to have a physical opinion on it beyond the rape scenario. I'm never going to get pregnant by choice and the whole thing fills me with revulsion tbh even the PIV sex thing (not judging anyone else just on a deeply personal level I don't want to get into here)...

But people who do get pregnant should be the ones making these choices. So in that way I'm pro choice.

I think like my mother said, when a baby gets to a certain size within the womb, it's very hard for the person carrying it to see it as anything other than a baby. Which doesn't mean not destroying it/killing it/aborting it, just means that any decision on that front is very difficult, will lead to a period of grieving and won't be undertaken lightly.

This is probably the reason why late-term abortions are illegal.

Are children a "punishment for sex?" No, I don't think so. Well, maybe if your child is the spawn of Satan. That not only a punishment for the patents, but for the whole world.