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14 Feb 2021, 9:49 am

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Trump was acquitted.

But this is what acquittal looked like.

GOP leader Mitch McConnell:


That was the head of Trump's own party in the Senate, who had just voted to acquit him!

Kinda makes acquittal hard to tell from conviction if someone for acquitting you talks about you that way.


Does anyone know why he voted to acquit him if those are his views?


My best bet is political solidarity.
Politics is a stinking game, and this is coming from a skunk! 8O


If he felt political solidarity, why did he criticize Trump so harshly on that speech?

The question is basically why is he not consistent? On the one hand, he makes that speech where he criticizes Trump. On the other hand he votes to acquit him.


As I said: "Politics." 8)


I know. But can you give more specific answer?


Well...

McConnell said "he is guilty as hell, but we cant convict him because of a technicality". Failing to mention that it was a technicality that McConnell himself engineered (he is guilty, but we cant nab him now because he fled to Argentina...on that flight that I bought him the airline ticket for. Darn!). McConnell help to delay the proceedings until after Trump left office, and now claims that "we cant do the proceedings because he is no longer in office".

Mc Connell is trying to juggle, both the Trump fanatical grassroots base, with his own corporate donners (who are fed up with Trump). Or thats one theory suggested by some pundits. Have his money and his grassroots votes too.



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14 Feb 2021, 11:12 am

The Republican senators who voted to acquit are cowards and fascists, and that is all the Repulican party stands for.  It is unfathomable that anyone hearing or seeing the mountain of evidence presented in Trump's second impeachment trial could walk into the Senate chamber and vote against his conviction -- much less the same people whose lives were threatened by the violence he incited.  Blinded by their partisan cowardice, these GOP senators are now complicit in Trump's escalating assaults on our democracy.  History will judge them harshly for failing to uphold their oath to defend the Constitution -- and now it will be up to voters to hold them accountable.

I will never again vote for a Republican or a Republican-backed proposition.  This is not an impulse decision, since the last time I voted a straight Republican ticket was during the Reagan administration.  I have felt a steady decline of respect for Republican favoritism toward corporations and the people who run them, and a growing admiration for Democratic inclusivism toward the very people whom the Republicans disdain and ignore (i.e., the homeless, immigrants, minorities, Queerfolk, women, the working-class, and all those who cannot afford housing and medical care).

The Republican Party, lost their one last chance to redeem themselves by colluding with Donald J. Trump.


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14 Feb 2021, 11:40 am

With the infighting in the Republican party and a split between those that support a Trump style leader and those that dont, they have presented the Dems with the chance of a lifetime, to put the Republicans out into the wilderness for a long time



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14 Feb 2021, 11:42 am

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With the infighting in the Republican party and a split between those that support a Trump style leader and those that dont, they have presented the Dems with the chance of a lifetime, to put the Republicans out into the wilderness for a long time
I certainly hope so.


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14 Feb 2021, 12:12 pm

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Good! It was unconstitutional and an abuse of power by Pelosi and her winged monkeys. 2024 Here We Come!


Actually, it is a Constitutionally mandated right given to Congress. Have you actually read our Constitution?



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14 Feb 2021, 1:04 pm

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With the infighting in the Republican party and a split between those that support a Trump style leader and those that dont, they have presented the Dems with the chance of a lifetime, to put the Republicans out into the wilderness for a long time

While I agree a one party democrat run system is not as bad as the current two party system with one party mostly authoritarian we must remember the lesser of two evils is evil. The current danger to democracy is more obvious and immediate. Democracy will wither away with a long term one party system. Especially a party with a illiberal wing.

We have two realistic very bad possibilities at this point. The Republican party stays Trump’s party. They are not as much in the wilderness as claimed. The Senate is 50-50, The House is close and Republicans control of a lot of the state houses. The authoritarian party regaining one or both houses of congress in 2022, and somebody with the last name of Trump being elected in 2024 is very plausible. The other option is the Republican party splitting between the Trumpians and classic conservatives which would assure absolute dem control for the foreseeable future. I just do not see any path for the republicans reverting back to classic conservatism. If the events between November 3 and yesterday did not do it nothing will.


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14 Feb 2021, 1:18 pm

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With the infighting in the Republican party and a split between those that support a Trump style leader and those that dont, they have presented the Dems with the chance of a lifetime, to put the Republicans out into the wilderness for a long time

While I agree a one party democrat run system is not as bad as the current two party system with one party mostly authoritarian we must remember the lesser of two evils is evil. The current danger to democracy is more obvious and immediate. Democracy will wither away with a long term one party system. Especially a party with a illiberal wing.

We have two realistic very bad possibilities at this point. The Republican party stays Trump’s party. They are not as much in the wilderness as claimed. The Senate is 50-50, The House is close and Republicans control of a lot of the state houses. The authoritarian party regaining one or both houses of congress in 2022, and somebody with the last name of Trump being elected in 2024 is very plausible. The other option is the Republican party splitting between the Trumpians and classic conservatives which would assure absolute dem control for the foreseeable future. I just do not see any path for the republicans reverting back to classic conservatism. If the events between November 3 and yesterday did not do it nothing will.


I just want a competent government. The GOP has lost that a long time ago. Note, Democratic administations tend to be more fiscally conservative to Republican ones. It turns out that tax and spend makes better policy than borrow and spend. I am just tired of Republican administrations messing up our economy for the Democrats to fix.



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14 Feb 2021, 1:47 pm

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Could anyone please tell me the logic behind the Republican party allowing Trump to run again and thus split their vote come the next election?

Trump got 72.22 million votes.

That is more votes than any president before him.

Next election may have limited mail in ballots, which could help him.

Plus, voters may sour on Biden after four years.


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14 Feb 2021, 1:56 pm

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Could anyone please tell me the logic behind the Republican party allowing Trump to run again and thus split their vote come the next election?

Trump got 72.22 million votes.

That is more votes than any president before him.


Same goes for Biden. Both sides got more votes than any president before them because the election was very polarized and turnout was high.

But ultimately the votes on both sides were about Trump, not about Biden (votes for Biden were really votes against Trump given that there is nothing so impressive about a really old man with possible dimensia). So Trump is both the most loved and most hated at the same time. Most loved by one side, and most hated by the other side. Which explains the highest number of votes both candidates got.



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14 Feb 2021, 2:08 pm

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Could anyone please tell me the logic behind the Republican party allowing Trump to run again and thus split their vote come the next election?

Trump got 72.22 million votes.

That is more votes than any president before him.

Next election may have limited mail in ballots, which could help him.

Plus, voters may sour on Biden after four years.


Also note, Trump lost the popular vote in both elections. He pulled off an electoral college win by very small margins in 2016.

Yes, Republican can use voter suppression, but when that no longer works, then they have a huge hole to dig themselves out of as those laws can be changed and then Republican will have to compete on their merits. I am not sure the campaign slogan, "Insurrection 2024," will resonate in a way they hope.



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14 Feb 2021, 2:14 pm

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Trump has been acquitted of his impeachment charges regarding the incitement of an insurrection. The senate vote went to 57-43, which means 7 republican senators went along with conviction along with 50 democrats. Of course this wasn't enough for the majority needed to convict Trump as there wasn't enough GOP support. What are your thoughts?

I am immensely disappointed. Pushing the Overton window of tolerance further and further has consequences. Can they not see this?


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14 Feb 2021, 2:22 pm

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Also note, Trump lost the popular vote in both elections. He pulled off an electoral college win by very small margins in 2016.


Trump won electoral college in 2016 by the same exact amount that he lost it in 2020. So if dems insist that the amount by which he lost in 2020 is large, they can't say that the amount by which he won in 2016 is small.

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Yes, Republican can use voter suppression, but when that no longer works, then they have a huge hole to dig themselves out of as those laws can be changed and then Republican will have to compete on their merits.


I heard somewhere that stats show that votes in person tend to favor republicans and vote by mail tend to favor democrats. I don't now why that is though. Could it be a psychological thing that republicans are more passionate to vote right away? Or could it be that the question about trustworthiness of post office somehow relates to other issues that happen to be politically charged? I been really wondering about this though. Just like I been wondering why do Jews like Chinese restaurants -- another observation that I don't see logical reason for.

So I guess if the rules change and mail in ballots would be forbidden, it would be in republican favor, unless democrat-leaning voters will change their voting habbits in response to new rule (which I guess they might, it would only be logical to).

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I am not sure the campaign slogan, "Insurrection 2024," will resonate in a way they hope.


Never heard that slogan, but then again I wasn't really paying attention after the Jan 20-th.



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14 Feb 2021, 2:50 pm

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Also note, Trump lost the popular vote in both elections. He pulled off an electoral college win by very small margins in 2016.


Trump won electoral college in 2016 by the same exact amount that he lost it in 2020. So if dems insist that the amount by which he lost in 2020 is large, they can't say that the amount by which he won in 2016 is small.


I am not a Democrat and it is not what I said. The electoral college is a winner takes all competition. You just need to win a state by one vote to claim all the electoral college votes (it is not representative). States carried by Trump had small margins.

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Yes, Republican can use voter suppression, but when that no longer works, then they have a huge hole to dig themselves out of as those laws can be changed and then Republican will have to compete on their merits.


I heard somewhere that stats show that votes in person tend to favor republicans and vote by mail tend to favor democrats. I don't now why that is though. Could it be a psychological thing that republicans are more passionate to vote right away? Or could it be that the question about trustworthiness of post office somehow relates to other issues that happen to be politically charged? I been really wondering about this though. Just like I been wondering why do Jews like Chinese restaurants -- another observation that I don't see logical reason for.

So I guess if the rules change and mail in ballots would be forbidden, it would be in republican favor, unless democrat-leaning voters will change their voting habbits in response to new rule (which I guess they might, it would only be logical to).


Why make it difficult to vote? Our voting system is very robust. If voting is a right, then it should be open to everyone.

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I am not sure the campaign slogan, "Insurrection 2024," will resonate in a way they hope.


Never heard that slogan, but then again I wasn't really paying attention after the Jan 20-th.


It was a joke.



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14 Feb 2021, 4:56 pm

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I just like how Mitch McTurtle's actions kinda don't match his words. He says trump is guilty but at the same time votes to acquit him. Actions tend to speak louder than words so I hear...or is that fake news to now?


Politics.



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14 Feb 2021, 5:10 pm

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The Republican senators who voted to acquit are cowards and fascists, and that is all the Repulican party stands for. 

Give it a rest, ffs.

You guys won.
Work towards building America sane again.

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It is unfathomable that anyone hearing or seeing the mountain of evidence presented in Trump's second impeachment trial could walk into the Senate chamber and vote against his conviction --


That is politics in action.
Politics is a dirty, dirty business.
I am surprised you haven't worked that out by now.
I pretty much have no respect for any political party.

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much less the same people whose lives were threatened by the violence he incited.  Blinded by their partisan cowardice, these GOP senators are now complicit in Trump's escalating assaults on our democracy.  History will judge them harshly for failing to uphold their oath to defend the Constitution -- and now it will be up to voters to hold them accountable.


The degree of partisanship on both sides of the political divide could be compared to a mental illness that causes dislodgement of a sense of reality.

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I will never again vote for a Republican or a Republican-backed proposition.  This is not an impulse decision, since the last time I voted a straight Republican ticket was during the Reagan administration.  I have felt a steady decline of respect for Republican favoritism toward corporations and the people who run them, and a growing admiration for Democratic inclusivism toward the very people whom the Republicans disdain and ignore (i.e., the homeless, immigrants, minorities, Queerfolk, women, the working-class, and all those who cannot afford housing and medical care).


Saul would agree with you.

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The Republican Party, lost their one last chance to redeem themselves by colluding with Donald J. Trump.


Trump and Co. are creating a divisiveness which I don't think is beneficial to America's future.
I hate to say it, but I think the traditional position of embracing the corrupt political aristocracy on both sides, may be the better bet, at this stage.

It was an 'interesting' social experiment, however.



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14 Feb 2021, 5:13 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
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Also note, Trump lost the popular vote in both elections. He pulled off an electoral college win by very small margins in 2016.


Trump won electoral college in 2016 by the same exact amount that he lost it in 2020. So if dems insist that the amount by which he lost in 2020 is large, they can't say that the amount by which he won in 2016 is small.


I am not a Democrat and it is not what I said. The electoral college is a winner takes all competition. You just need to win a state by one vote to claim all the electoral college votes (it is not representative). States carried by Trump had small margins.

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Yes, Republican can use voter suppression, but when that no longer works, then they have a huge hole to dig themselves out of as those laws can be changed and then Republican will have to compete on their merits.


I heard somewhere that stats show that votes in person tend to favor republicans and vote by mail tend to favor democrats. I don't now why that is though. Could it be a psychological thing that republicans are more passionate to vote right away? Or could it be that the question about trustworthiness of post office somehow relates to other issues that happen to be politically charged? I been really wondering about this though. Just like I been wondering why do Jews like Chinese restaurants -- another observation that I don't see logical reason for.

So I guess if the rules change and mail in ballots would be forbidden, it would be in republican favor, unless democrat-leaning voters will change their voting habbits in response to new rule (which I guess they might, it would only be logical to).


Why make it difficult to vote? Our voting system is very robust. If voting is a right, then it should be open to everyone.

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I am not sure the campaign slogan, "Insurrection 2024," will resonate in a way they hope.


Never heard that slogan, but then again I wasn't really paying attention after the Jan 20-th.


It was a joke.


Make a joke, on this website, at your own peril.