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18 May 2021, 9:52 pm

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There is a lot of sex in the Bible. Funny how that is not banned.

It's different when it's begetting :jester:



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18 May 2021, 10:02 pm

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Oh okay, I didn't think sex was banned though, as there are some movies and literature with it in, unless you mean something different by mainstream media?

Well it is and it isn't, which is why I wrote "banned" in quotation marks. Sex is generally hinted at, suggested, or misrepresented on the radio, and in computer games, TV and film. For example movie sex scenes that happen fully clothed, with some terrible backing music, no conversation, no laughter, no mistakes or mishaps, no mess and no snacks. What's all that about? It's so sanitised and so removed from reality that if a TV station screened what the average couple got up to of a weekend, there'd be outrage.

Which is in itself bizarre, as presumably those complaining do realise they got here through sex, and presumably they themselves have some experience of sex, though I'm guessing not very much. Either that or they're so embarrassed by their own sexuality that they're trying to project that guilt onto everybody else.

Shooting people dead, though - that's fine.


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I'll never understand why there's so much hate and violence in the world, but if two people want to love each other, or "make love", it disgusts mainstream society.

Especially if those two people are the same gender? Really?

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19 May 2021, 1:15 am

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There is a lot of sex in the Bible. Funny how that is not banned.

It's different when it's begetting :jester:


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19 May 2021, 8:36 am

Redd_Kross wrote:
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There is a lot of sex in the Bible.  Funny how that is not banned.
It's different when it's begetting.
If "sodomy" was named after the city of Sodom, then what was named after the city of Gomorrah?

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19 May 2021, 9:57 am

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Redd_Kross wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
There is a lot of sex in the Bible.  Funny how that is not banned.
It's different when it's begetting.
If "sodomy" was named after the city of Sodom, then what was named after the city of Gomorrah?

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Gomorrhea


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19 May 2021, 5:59 pm

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Fnord wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
There is a lot of sex in the Bible.  Funny how that is not banned.
It's different when it's begetting.
If "sodomy" was named after the city of Sodom, then what was named after the city of Gomorrah?

:scratch:

Gomorrhea


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19 May 2021, 9:46 pm

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Redd_Kross wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
There is a lot of sex in the Bible.  Funny how that is not banned.
It's different when it's begetting.
If "sodomy" was named after the city of Sodom, then what was named after the city of Gomorrah?

:scratch:




Some even weirder move. :nerdy:


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19 May 2021, 10:11 pm

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Fnord wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
There is a lot of sex in the Bible.  Funny how that is not banned.
It's different when it's begetting.
If "sodomy" was named after the city of Sodom, then what was named after the city of Gomorrah?

:scratch:




Some even weirder move. :nerdy:


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I love Brad Neely's animation!

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29 Jul 2021, 12:06 pm

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I came across this story by random but found it interesting how schools in the US or at least the ones mentioned in the program are teaching their kids some books dealing with kids or teens in sexual scenarios. They talk about it at 7:56 into the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KfNMjIJmEQ&t=448s

But when the Mother reads portion of the books being taught in school she reads portions of the books dealing with kids, and oral sex scenarios.

But why do they want to teach these books in school? Is it a progressive political thing, and the progressive way of thinking is virginity is not cool, so we have to teach our kids about sex early on, so they will become sexually active and this become cool? Or what is the point of it?


I would say some people are pushing these things because they naively think they are fighting for freedom; others push these things because they know it's destructive. Sexual liberalism and political repression often go hand in hand. Encouraging adults to indulge their basest instincts makes them easier to control politically. And pushing sexually explicit material on youngsters helps undermine parental authority. After all, when the communists took over Hungary in 1919, one of the first things they did, to undermine traditional morality and parental authority, was introduce sex education in schools. I remember one journalist quite rightly commenting that there's something a bit creepy about people who actually want to talk to other people's children about sex.

Liberals who equate cracking down on pornographic material with "political censorship" really don't get it.



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29 Jul 2021, 4:52 pm

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ironpony wrote:
I came across this story by random but found it interesting how schools in the US or at least the ones mentioned in the program are teaching their kids some books dealing with kids or teens in sexual scenarios. They talk about it at 7:56 into the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KfNMjIJmEQ&t=448s

But when the Mother reads portion of the books being taught in school she reads portions of the books dealing with kids, and oral sex scenarios.

But why do they want to teach these books in school? Is it a progressive political thing, and the progressive way of thinking is virginity is not cool, so we have to teach our kids about sex early on, so they will become sexually active and this become cool? Or what is the point of it?


I would say some people are pushing these things because they naively think they are fighting for freedom; others push these things because they know it's destructive. Sexual liberalism and political repression often go hand in hand. Encouraging adults to indulge their basest instincts makes them easier to control politically. And pushing sexually explicit material on youngsters helps undermine parental authority. After all, when the communists took over Hungary in 1919, one of the first things they did, to undermine traditional morality and parental authority, was introduce sex education in schools. I remember one journalist quite rightly commenting that there's something a bit creepy about people who actually want to talk to other people's children about sex.

Liberals who equate cracking down on pornographic material with "political censorship" really don't get it.


Or maybe those "liberals" are only interested in promoting good literature, even if that might sometimes contain sexual material.


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29 Jul 2021, 5:35 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
slam_thunderhide wrote:
ironpony wrote:
I came across this story by random but found it interesting how schools in the US or at least the ones mentioned in the program are teaching their kids some books dealing with kids or teens in sexual scenarios. They talk about it at 7:56 into the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KfNMjIJmEQ&t=448s

But when the Mother reads portion of the books being taught in school she reads portions of the books dealing with kids, and oral sex scenarios.

But why do they want to teach these books in school? Is it a progressive political thing, and the progressive way of thinking is virginity is not cool, so we have to teach our kids about sex early on, so they will become sexually active and this become cool? Or what is the point of it?


I would say some people are pushing these things because they naively think they are fighting for freedom; others push these things because they know it's destructive. Sexual liberalism and political repression often go hand in hand. Encouraging adults to indulge their basest instincts makes them easier to control politically. And pushing sexually explicit material on youngsters helps undermine parental authority. After all, when the communists took over Hungary in 1919, one of the first things they did, to undermine traditional morality and parental authority, was introduce sex education in schools. I remember one journalist quite rightly commenting that there's something a bit creepy about people who actually want to talk to other people's children about sex.

Liberals who equate cracking down on pornographic material with "political censorship" really don't get it.


Or maybe those "liberals" are only interested in promoting good literature, even if that might sometimes contain sexual material.


I just wonder would the parents complaining about this, prefer their adolescents and teens get exposed to stuff like that with no guidance?

I doubt the intent is to encourage teens to have sex, but anyone who thinks adolecents and teens don't start thinking about sex or start feeling sexual feelings is extremely naïve or in denial about themselves growing up. So with that said isn't it best to encourage them to be safe about it if they do end up indulging before 18?


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29 Jul 2021, 6:34 pm

Sex is a normal part of adult life, but can have high stakes in terms of STDs, unwanted pregnancies etc. It's also surrounded by misinformation (largely thanks to prudishness) and sometimes that's also deliberate as a male power and control thing. Some men like to think they're in charge of female sexuality, and get very offended when they're told it's actually not theirs to control, thanks very much.

So, education is important, because knowledge is power and ignorance is weakness. And because nothing makes a subject more appealing to a teenager than knowing it's 'naughty' or 'forbidden', so getting rid of that air of mystique is important too. Because let's face it, teenage sex is happening anyway, the only thing that's going to change is how clued up those doing it are.

Anyone who thinks school sex ed classes incentivise sleeping around is an idiot, especially given how stilted and embarrassing they normally are. Hormones provide the encouragement, what the classes teach is how to be safe and responsible and not get manipulated.

What fascinates me is the way sex is a basic part of our existence yet so many people (mainly Bible bashers, it seems) want to pretend it isn't. Particularly on TV and in the movies. Oooh we can't possibly show people being nice to each other, or educate young adults about how to enjoy themselves safely and experience genuine pleasure. Even though sex is going on ALL THE TIME. Shooting people is remarkably uncommon in comparison, yet you'd think it was perfectly normal from Hollywood movies and the American obsession with guns. What's that all about?

What a strange double standard, where normal, physical happiness is wrong but shooting folk is something to aspire to. And it's not even as though it keeps the population numbers down because you'll get more unwanted kids through ignorance and coercion than you'd ever get through promoting sensible behaviour with sex ed classes.



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29 Jul 2021, 7:14 pm

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Sex is a normal part of adult life, but can have high stakes in terms of STDs, unwanted pregnancies etc. It's also surrounded by misinformation (largely thanks to prudishness) and sometimes that's also deliberate as a male power and control thing. Some men like to think they're in charge of female sexuality, and get very offended when they're told it's actually not theirs to control, thanks very much.

So, education is important, because knowledge is power and ignorance is weakness. And because nothing makes a subject more appealing to a teenager than knowing it's 'naughty' or 'forbidden', so getting rid of that air of mystique is important too. Because let's face it, teenage sex is happening anyway, the only thing that's going to change is how clued up those doing it are.

Anyone who thinks school sex ed classes incentivise sleeping around is an idiot, especially given how stilted and embarrassing they normally are. Hormones provide the encouragement, what the classes teach is how to be safe and responsible and not get manipulated.

What fascinates me is the way sex is a basic part of our existence yet so many people (mainly Bible bashers, it seems) want to pretend it isn't. Particularly on TV and in the movies. Oooh we can't possibly show people being nice to each other, or educate young adults about how to enjoy themselves safely and experience genuine pleasure. Even though sex is going on ALL THE TIME. Shooting people is remarkably uncommon in comparison, yet you'd think it was perfectly normal from Hollywood movies and the American obsession with guns. What's that all about?

What a strange double standard, where normal, physical happiness is wrong but shooting folk is something to aspire to. And it's not even as though it keeps the population numbers down because you'll get more unwanted kids through ignorance and coercion than you'd ever get through promoting sensible behaviour with sex ed classes.


I think a good way to illustrate that a little bit, is it seems like a movie will be rated R for vulgar language and sexual content before it would get that rating for violence. That said acting like sex is such a taboo topic it harmful, just encourages people to repress their sexuality(not like if they are gay or straight I mean more like repressing that they have sexual desires/being to ashamed to let go and enjoy it), like I did until I was 31. Why because I couldn't shake off that feeling of sex being dirty and bad, having that engrained growing up was still effecting me even if I logically knew it was nonsense.

But yeah my parents tried to shelter me and my siblings, and my siblings were better with making friends and stuff so they got more outside exposure from friends and maybe more lenient parents of them to topics like that. I didn't get out as much so the sheltering I think effected me more but good intentions or not it did not help me. I recall one time I wanted to rent a movie 'Queen of the Damned' because I had seen 'Interview with the Vampire' and that is kind of a sequel. And my mom shamed me about how it was inappropriate and too sexual, and I should be ashamed for wanting to see it(I don't get it she is the one who had me watch Interview with the Vampire with her which had sexual bits as well, so I was shocked how mad she seemed about me wanting to see a sequel) I was 17 at the time. Like 17 is too old to be getting told that interest in anything sexual is bad.


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Sex is a normal part of adult life, but can have high stakes in terms of STDs, unwanted pregnancies etc. It's also surrounded by misinformation (largely thanks to prudishness) and sometimes that's also deliberate as a male power and control thing. Some men like to think they're in charge of female sexuality, and get very offended when they're told it's actually not theirs to control, thanks very much.

So, education is important, because knowledge is power and ignorance is weakness. And because nothing makes a subject more appealing to a teenager than knowing it's 'naughty' or 'forbidden', so getting rid of that air of mystique is important too. Because let's face it, teenage sex is happening anyway, the only thing that's going to change is how clued up those doing it are.

Anyone who thinks school sex ed classes incentivise sleeping around is an idiot, especially given how stilted and embarrassing they normally are. Hormones provide the encouragement, what the classes teach is how to be safe and responsible and not get manipulated.

What fascinates me is the way sex is a basic part of our existence yet so many people (mainly Bible bashers, it seems) want to pretend it isn't. Particularly on TV and in the movies. Oooh we can't possibly show people being nice to each other, or educate young adults about how to enjoy themselves safely and experience genuine pleasure. Even though sex is going on ALL THE TIME. Shooting people is remarkably uncommon in comparison, yet you'd think it was perfectly normal from Hollywood movies and the American obsession with guns. What's that all about?

What a strange double standard, where normal, physical happiness is wrong but shooting folk is something to aspire to. And it's not even as though it keeps the population numbers down because you'll get more unwanted kids through ignorance and coercion than you'd ever get through promoting sensible behaviour with sex ed classes.


I think a good way to illustrate that a little bit, is it seems like a movie will be rated R for vulgar language and sexual content before it would get that rating for violence. That said acting like sex is such a taboo topic it harmful, just encourages people to repress their sexuality(not like if they are gay or straight I mean more like repressing that they have sexual desires/being to ashamed to let go and enjoy it), like I did until I was 31. Why because I couldn't shake off that feeling of sex being dirty and bad, having that engrained growing up was still effecting me even if I logically knew it was nonsense.

But yeah my parents tried to shelter me and my siblings, and my siblings were better with making friends and stuff so they got more outside exposure from friends and maybe more lenient parents of them to topics like that. I didn't get out as much so the sheltering I think effected me more but good intentions or not it did not help me. I recall one time I wanted to rent a movie 'Queen of the Damned' because I had seen 'Interview with the Vampire' and that is kind of a sequel. And my mom shamed me about how it was inappropriate and too sexual, and I should be ashamed for wanting to see it(I don't get it she is the one who had me watch Interview with the Vampire with her which had sexual bits as well, so I was shocked how mad she seemed about me wanting to see a sequel) I was 17 at the time. Like 17 is too old to be getting told that interest in anything sexual is bad.


Don't feel too bad - - Queen Of The Damned proved to be a pretty lackluster movie, anyhow.


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27 Oct 2021, 11:03 pm

Well why is it that kids can read these things in high school, but you still have to be 17 to get into an NC-17 movie? Why does America consider the material worse if it's in a movie compared to if it's in a book?