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05 Jul 2021, 7:54 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
If there is a second civil war in America the Right will have all the guns and ammo while the Left will be armed with bongs and sex toys.
We also have armed ourselves ... quietly.



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05 Jul 2021, 9:13 pm

After the new civil war, the conservatives will pretend it was the left who started it.

The conservatives said the Jan 6th traitors were really antifa. The conservatives said the old civil war was started by democrats (ignoring how the republicans and democrats and switched sides.

Conservatives aren't capable of taking responsibility for their actions. They always try to blame someone else.


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05 Jul 2021, 9:21 pm

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Conservatives aren't capable of taking responsibility for their actions. They always try to blame someone else.


They have been trying to get the upper hand longer than the rest of us. They know more underhanded tricks.



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07 Jul 2021, 1:33 pm

Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
If there is a second civil war in America the Right will have all the guns and ammo while the Left will be armed with bongs and sex toys.
We also have armed ourselves ... quietly.




Do you think "quietly" can overcome generations of indoctrinated extremism, if it comes down to it? Arms are only one part of a civil war, the killing part. What about the ones who survive? They're the ones who will start the country over again. Just playing the tape all the way through till the end...


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07 Jul 2021, 2:47 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
If there is a second civil war in America the Right will have all the guns and ammo while the Left will be armed with bongs and sex toys.
We also have armed ourselves ... quietly.
Do you think "quietly" can overcome generations of indoctrinated extremism, if it comes down to it? Arms are only one part of a civil war, the killing part. What about the ones who survive? They're the ones who will start the country over again. Just playing the tape all the way through till the end...
"Quietly", in this context, means that while their side has been showing off who has which piece of military-grade artillery, the rest of us have been going on about our business without even letting on that we have armed ourselves.

Legally, too.



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07 Jul 2021, 3:44 pm

Fnord wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
If there is a second civil war in America the Right will have all the guns and ammo while the Left will be armed with bongs and sex toys.
We also have armed ourselves ... quietly.
Do you think "quietly" can overcome generations of indoctrinated extremism, if it comes down to it? Arms are only one part of a civil war, the killing part. What about the ones who survive? They're the ones who will start the country over again. Just playing the tape all the way through till the end...
"Quietly", in this context, means that while their side has been showing off who has which piece of military-grade artillery, the rest of us have been going on about our business without even letting on that we have armed ourselves.

Legally, too.


Frightened creatures will often resort to loud noises and aggressive posturing to ward off threats rather than actually having to confront them. The deadliest of animals are often calm and unassuming, going about their business without concern, cos they know what they are capable of.

Some people just don't feel safe unless they make sure everyone knows just how big their "glock" is. :wink:



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07 Jul 2021, 7:24 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
If there is a second civil war in America the Right will have all the guns and ammo while the Left will be armed with bongs and sex toys.
We also have armed ourselves ... quietly.
Do you think "quietly" can overcome generations of indoctrinated extremism, if it comes down to it? Arms are only one part of a civil war, the killing part. What about the ones who survive? They're the ones who will start the country over again. Just playing the tape all the way through till the end...
"Quietly", in this context, means that while their side has been showing off who has which piece of military-grade artillery, the rest of us have been going on about our business without even letting on that we have armed ourselves.

Legally, too.


Frightened creatures will often resort to loud noises and aggressive posturing to ward off threats rather than actually having to confront them. The deadliest of animals are often calm and unassuming, going about their business without concern, cos they know what they are capable of.

Some people just don't feel safe unless they make sure everyone knows just how big their "glock" is. :wink:


Those really aren't the ones I'm referring to. A lot of extremists are paranoid, which is why they make such good extremists. Their people have been telling them for years that the government/world is out to get them. They have a network of other loons who are all on the same wave length and Glocks really aren't their thing. Boobie traps, underground tunnels, guns trading hands for the last 50 years, etc... They have a lot in common with Muslim extremists.

Anyway, I don't think most Americans understand that a gun may be registered to the original owner, but that gun hasn't been seen for years. I don't think 'legal' is something they will be concerned with, in fact I believe illegal is precisely what they are counting on. Same with ammo... X buys ammo with cash, for a gun he doesn't own and transports it. X makes his own ammo, et al.


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07 Jul 2021, 7:30 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
If there is a second civil war in America the Right will have all the guns and ammo while the Left will be armed with bongs and sex toys.


Well, I am sure the US military will be quite effective. We don't need guns.

What is really curious is that the right is so open about their treason and their hatred for America. Timothy McVeigh is going to have a lot of company.



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07 Jul 2021, 7:39 pm

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Mr Reynholm wrote:
If there is a second civil war in America the Right will have all the guns and ammo while the Left will be armed with bongs and sex toys.


Well, I am sure the US military will be quite effective. We don't need guns.

What is really curious is that the right is so open about their treason and their hatred for America. Timothy McVeigh is going to have a lot of company.


This is why the left doesn't actually want a violent revolution, we're unlikely to defeat the state in a violent confrontation.

But, the far-right seems to believe that even if they initiate a conflict with the state that somehow the military will choose to support them. To which I say A-10 goes BRRT.


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07 Jul 2021, 7:55 pm

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What is really curious is that the right is so open about their treason and their hatred for America. Timothy McVeigh is going to have a lot of company.


I notice Fox (or faux depending on your perspective) news frame the capitol riots as a "protest" and continue to feed the conspiracies over voter fraud. They provide a raison d'etre for the 74 million who were gullible enough to align themselves with the previous administration and why so many GOP senators continue to maintain support (despite they themselves barely escaping the rioters) for the voter fraud fantasy, So long as they stick to their guns they were doing their "patriotic duty" the GOP voter base will deny the attack on the Capitol building on Jan 6 was actually an attack on American democracy and continue to frame it as a protest against a now discredited claim of voter fraud.



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07 Jul 2021, 9:13 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
If there is a second civil war in America the Right will have all the guns and ammo while the Left will be armed with bongs and sex toys.


Well, I am sure the US military will be quite effective. We don't need guns.

What is really curious is that the right is so open about their treason and their hatred for America. Timothy McVeigh is going to have a lot of company.


The Right doesn't hate America, they hate the left. And the Right can stand next to a Leftist if the ARMY attacks them, then everyone dies. Nobody is 'safe' in a Civil War... everyone loses. With the exception of bombers the industrious citizen can rustle up a lot of what the US armed forces can, including computer hackers. Bombing their own country would be counter productive, as even the US ARMY will require resources to survive. That's what I meant when I said the killing is just a part of it. There must be something left. For the ARMY to do what you think it will do to wipe out all the Right and leave the Left to carry on, they'd need to not care about themselves or their own families. That alone will be motivation to take sides. So, I think you're wrong. But, whatever helps you sleep.


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07 Jul 2021, 9:54 pm

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The Right doesn't hate America, they hate the left. And the Right can stand next to a Leftist if the ARMY attacks them, then everyone dies. Nobody is 'safe' in a Civil War... everyone loses. With the exception of bombers the industrious citizen can rustle up a lot of what the US armed forces can, including computer hackers. Bombing their own country would be counter productive, as even the US ARMY will require resources to survive. That's what I meant when I said the killing is just a part of it. There must be something left. For the ARMY to do what you think it will do to wipe out all the Right and leave the Left to carry on, they'd need to not care about themselves or their own families. That alone will be motivation to take sides. So, I think you're wrong. But, whatever helps you sleep.


What the right seem to conveniently ignore is "America" isn't a giant monolith made in their image. There are "many" Americas. The America that exists in socially progressive, multicultural and diverse spaces is what they hate, But real Americans occupy those spaces.



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07 Jul 2021, 11:23 pm

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The Right doesn't hate America, they hate the left. And the Right can stand next to a Leftist if the ARMY attacks them, then everyone dies. Nobody is 'safe' in a Civil War... everyone loses. With the exception of bombers the industrious citizen can rustle up a lot of what the US armed forces can, including computer hackers. Bombing their own country would be counter productive, as even the US ARMY will require resources to survive. That's what I meant when I said the killing is just a part of it. There must be something left. For the ARMY to do what you think it will do to wipe out all the Right and leave the Left to carry on, they'd need to not care about themselves or their own families. That alone will be motivation to take sides. So, I think you're wrong. But, whatever helps you sleep.


What the right seem to conveniently ignore is "America" isn't a giant monolith made in their image. There are "many" Americas. The America that exists in socially progressive, multicultural and diverse spaces is what they hate, But real Americans occupy those spaces.


Those are great concepts and words for a different time. I don't think the people who are interested in civil war will be worried about anything other than preserving a fundamental way of life for their children. What I think the Left ignores is that not everyone (including the US armed forces) subscribes to their ideals. The armed forces are a representation of the US, if we are divided among ourselves because of politics, they will divide along those lines too if it comes to a civil war. Each will have their own idea of what constitutes domestic terrorism. They have eyes, they were raised with a certain set of beliefs. And they will draw on those beliefs when it comes to shooting down their own countrymen/women. Especially if it's their own family members... The Left actually believes that if the government says "sick 'em," they will all go happily blasting away at their home towns, football coaches, prom dates, best friends, whatever. Unless they are all sociopaths, and they aren't, they will not do it. Until both sides stop telling the other how wrong they are, how they must change or else, any civil war will be simply for the right to be who they are. Until we get back to live and let live, we're never going to get past this.


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Those are great concepts and words for a different time. I don't think the people who are interested in civil war will be worried about anything other than preserving a fundamental way of life for their children. What I think the Left ignores is that not everyone (including the US armed forces) subscribes to their ideals.

Yet the right seem to be preoccupied with scapegoating. Donald Trump (for example) in 2016 had no policies for health, education, climate or jobs. Instead he made spurious claims that he would bring jobs back from China (he didn't but he tore up treaties with international trading partners), he promised to dismantle Obamacare which increased stress in large segments of the population, he cut funding to the environment, he cut funding to the CDC (another reason COVID spread rampantly) and he cut funding to education,

What he did want to spend money on is building walls, stopping immigration to people who supply a lot unskilled work and giving tax cuts to the rich. Not sure how all of this addresses the right's supposed preserving the ":way of life for their children" but they voted for him anyway.

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The Left actually believes that if the government says "sick 'em," they will all go happily blasting away at their home towns, football coaches, prom dates, best friends, whatever. Unless they are all sociopaths, and they aren't, they will not do it. Until both sides stop telling the other how wrong they are, how they must change or else, any civil war will be simply for the right to be who they are. Until we get back to live and let live, we're never going to get past this.


Most of the leftwing hippy types marching for BLM don't have guns. People identifying as "antifa" are woefully less in number compared to the well armed republicans who are members of the NRA and the right wing militia who number in their thousands across America who can be seen in the shadows at Charlottesville, BLM protests, Trump rallies and in the Capitol riots. Many of them are itching to let loose and shoot civilians under the delusion they are fighting traitors and communists.



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Persephone29 wrote:
Those are great concepts and words for a different time. I don't think the people who are interested in civil war will be worried about anything other than preserving a fundamental way of life for their children. What I think the Left ignores is that not everyone (including the US armed forces) subscribes to their ideals.

Yet the right seem to be preoccupied with scapegoating. Donald Trump (for example) in 2016 had no policies for health, education, climate or jobs. Instead he made spurious claims that he would bring jobs back from China (he didn't but he tore up treaties with international trading partners), he promised to dismantle Obamacare which increased stress in large segments of the population, he cut funding to the environment, he cut funding to the CDC (another reason COVID spread rampantly) and he cut funding to education,

What he did want to spend money on is building walls, stopping immigration to people who supply a lot unskilled work and giving tax cuts to the rich. Not sure how all of this addresses the right's supposed preserving the ":way of life for their children" but they voted for him anyway.

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The Left actually believes that if the government says "sick 'em," they will all go happily blasting away at their home towns, football coaches, prom dates, best friends, whatever. Unless they are all sociopaths, and they aren't, they will not do it. Until both sides stop telling the other how wrong they are, how they must change or else, any civil war will be simply for the right to be who they are. Until we get back to live and let live, we're never going to get past this.


Most of the leftwing hippy types marching for BLM don't have guns. People identifying as "antifa" are woefully less in number compared to the well armed republicans who are members of the NRA and the right wing militia who number in their thousands across America who can be seen in the shadows at Charlottesville, BLM protests, Trump rallies and in the Capitol riots. Many of them are itching to let loose and shoot civilians under the delusion they are fighting traitors and communists.


You could be right, but in the face of total annihilation does it really matter who is right? We tolerated different beliefs on both sides, because we could get away from them. When both sides stepped it up and said, "we're right and you're wrong, you're going to believe the way we do or else," things began to rapidly deteriorate. There will be no 'seeing the light' for either side, it's too late for that. The biggest difference in the two are weapons. And in a land that has viewed the right to bear arms as a innate right, not to be infringed up by the government since its inception, have they really done anything wrong? They haven't. They simply viewed the government with suspicion and exercised the right to bear arms. It just so happens that our government in the US has a tendency to weaponize us against each other. They don't care about us, they don't care if we kill each other. But, it can get a few votes if they pretend they do. We've been had, and we've always been had. Guns are the only thing standing between our government undoing everything our founding fathers knew they were capable of when they wrote the Constitution. It just so happens that the only thing we can vent our frustrations on is each other, so who's right or wrong will not get the chance to matter.


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08 Jul 2021, 9:31 am

Is ya'll qaeda really going to rove around the USA in the backs of pickup trucks with flags and guns shooting people? Seems almost.. cartoonishly stupid; yet, also entirely plausible.


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