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09 Nov 2021, 7:32 pm

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The bare bones basics of critical race theory are age appropriate for young children. It's OK to be any race, and you shouldn't treat people better or worse because of their race. However, some people they know might think certain races are better than others, and treat people unfairly as a result. And some basics of what they can do about it - such as sticking up for a friend being bullied.


That's not the basics of critical race theory.


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09 Nov 2021, 10:43 pm

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Racism affects the lives of grade schoolers, so it should be discussed with them.


Teachers should teach, not engage in political activism.
And counsellors should counsel. 8)



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10 Nov 2021, 1:44 am

Dox47 wrote:
Ettina wrote:
The bare bones basics of critical race theory are age appropriate for young children. It's OK to be any race, and you shouldn't treat people better or worse because of their race. However, some people they know might think certain races are better than others, and treat people unfairly as a result. And some basics of what they can do about it - such as sticking up for a friend being bullied.


That's not the basics of critical race theory.


I think Ettina is referring to CRT outcomes while you are still stuck on CRT objectives. That's the problem with the MAGAs as well,



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10 Nov 2021, 1:48 am

Pepe wrote:
Ettina wrote:

Racism affects the lives of grade schoolers, so it should be discussed with them.


Teachers should teach, not engage in political activism.
And counsellors should counsel. 8)


I actually think most teachers don't know how to use critical thought on race. If it's in the curriculum then that's different. Teachers know how to present material in the curriculum whereas Parents, MAGAs and republicans seem to have a problem distinguishing epistemology Vs pedagogy,



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10 Nov 2021, 1:51 am

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Parents don't want political activists in skools brainwashing their kids.
They don't want CRT being used as a propaganda tool of the left. 8)


The problem is they can't distinguish between art/culture/history and propaganda. Parents butting into school curriculum is weird and scary.

There's a school in the south trying to ban this image on their school wall painted by famous artist Norman Rockwell

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When the mob start going after artwork you know they are some type of crazy cult


Norman Rockwell? Illustrator of the Saturday Evening Post...the corniest artist of the 1950s...is too edgy for them?

The world has gone nutso. 8O



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10 Nov 2021, 1:54 am

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Norman Rockwell? Illustrator of the Saturday Evening Post...the corniest artist of the 1950s...is too edgy for them?
The world has gone nutso. 8O


The parents who objected to the painting probably thought it was painted by a trans marxist black artist :lol:
If you listen to the arguments against CRT at school board meetings its absolutely cringeworthy.



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10 Nov 2021, 2:18 am

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I think Ettina is referring to CRT outcomes while you are still stuck on CRT objectives. That's the problem with the MAGAs as well,


Those aren't CRT outcomes either, try again.


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10 Nov 2021, 3:04 am

Dox47 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:

I think Ettina is referring to CRT outcomes while you are still stuck on CRT objectives. That's the problem with the MAGAs as well,


Those aren't CRT outcomes either, try again.


Depends whom you ask. Teachers seem to think so.



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10 Nov 2021, 4:52 am

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Depends whom you ask. Teachers seem to think so.


The same teachers who swear they aren't teaching CRT?


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10 Nov 2021, 4:57 am

naturalplastic wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
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Parents don't want political activists in skools brainwashing their kids.
They don't want CRT being used as a propaganda tool of the left. 8)


The problem is they can't distinguish between art/culture/history and propaganda. Parents butting into school curriculum is weird and scary.

There's a school in the south trying to ban this image on their school wall painted by famous artist Norman Rockwell

Image

When the mob start going after artwork you know they are some type of crazy cult


Norman Rockwell? Illustrator of the Saturday Evening Post...the corniest artist of the 1950s...is too edgy for them?

The world has gone nutso. 8O


Once again, politics/activism should be left out of skooling.



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10 Nov 2021, 4:58 am

cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Norman Rockwell? Illustrator of the Saturday Evening Post...the corniest artist of the 1950s...is too edgy for them?
The world has gone nutso. 8O


The parents who objected to the painting probably thought it was painted by a trans marxist black artist :lol:
If you listen to the arguments against CRT at school board meetings its absolutely cringeworthy.


Could you explain the meaning of the painting?
Serious question.



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10 Nov 2021, 5:37 am

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Norman Rockwell? Illustrator of the Saturday Evening Post...the corniest artist of the 1950s...is too edgy for them?
The world has gone nutso. 8O


The parents who objected to the painting probably thought it was painted by a trans marxist black artist :lol:
If you listen to the arguments against CRT at school board meetings its absolutely cringeworthy.


Could you explain the meaning of the painting?
Serious question.


It's probably not the original (that's in the Norman Rockwell Museum), maybe a print. An original Norman Rockwell would cost in excess of $50-100 million.



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10 Nov 2021, 6:00 am

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Could you explain the meaning of the painting?
Serious question.


It's depicting the forcible integration of the Southern schools in the 1950s, which had to be done by armed federal troops and officers in some cases. Oddly, I would expect any modern objection to actually come from the left, due to the word painted on the wall in the background, as these are the same people trying to ban Huckleberry Finn for the same crime.


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10 Nov 2021, 8:14 am

The word in the background is there-----because that's the way black people were thought of by many white people at the time of the Civil Rights Era.

I don't see anything wrong with the word being on the wall; because that was the reality.

There was "forcible integration"---because segregation stifled opportunity for black people in those days. There was an ideology whereby people were excluded from the "mainstream" merely because they were black.



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10 Nov 2021, 5:31 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Norman Rockwell? Illustrator of the Saturday Evening Post...the corniest artist of the 1950s...is too edgy for them?
The world has gone nutso. 8O


The parents who objected to the painting probably thought it was painted by a trans marxist black artist :lol:
If you listen to the arguments against CRT at school board meetings its absolutely cringeworthy.


Could you explain the meaning of the painting?
Serious question.


It's probably not the original (that's in the Norman Rockwell Museum), maybe a print. An original Norman Rockwell would cost in excess of $50-100 million.


Good to know, but could you explain the meaning of the painting? :mrgreen:



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10 Nov 2021, 5:33 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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Could you explain the meaning of the painting?
Serious question.


It's depicting the forcible integration of the Southern schools in the 1950s, which had to be done by armed federal troops and officers in some cases. Oddly, I would expect any modern objection to actually come from the left, due to the word painted on the wall in the background, as these are the same people trying to ban Huckleberry Finn for the same crime.


So, it is a political statement.
I see. :chin:

Point made. 8)