Roe v. Wade is history

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A terrible, backwards-looking decision.
It's another step towards making "The Handmaid's Tale" a reality.

They want it to be the 1950s again.

I wonder if the real reason behind this is not religious ideals, but rather ensuring an abundant supply of human beings to serve the ruling elite. People are pretty much commodities at this point. The religious argument may just to a smokescreen.

Yeah, we have to ensure that we have enough obedient workers, and soldiers willing to die to make defence contractors rich.

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The main male bodily autonomy issue would be routine infant circumcision.

I like that. I’ve heard someone say that before, and it’s relevant. I think I’d best describe myself as anti-murder, though, because it is conceivable that killing could be justified. Abortion can be justified. Mississippi’s trigger law allows for cases that would threaten the mother’s life.

If a case is going to be made for Constitutionally protected abortion as an unenumerated right, there will have to be a Supreme Court case in which a woman was incarcerated for having an abortion while her life was in danger. A more powerful statement would be if a woman died in childbirth after being denied an abortion.

Think back to when SCOTUS reversed precedent in the past. Plesse v Ferguson found that the constitutional rights of blacks under segregation was not infringed as long as blacks had the same access to equal goods and services. Brown v BOE found that separate was inherently unequal. Does a ban on abortion demonstrate an unreasonable denial of rights of women to life, liberty, and pursuit of money? Is there something unusual about women having babies? As long as having babies is routine and no more or less a restriction on the opportunities of women within reason, it's not unreasonable to ban abortion. Contrast with racial slavery, which IS unusual and unreasonable in a country that espouses freedom. It IS reasonable and normal to restrict freedom of criminals and commit them to involuntary servitude.

And that is up to legislators as to the appropriate restriction of freedom. Freedom in the USA has never been absolute. The right to self-defense no longer applies when another person doesn't pose a threat. Loss of affection is not an excuse to kill the guy who stole your girlfriend or wife. It is not reasonable to completely ban abortion. If anyone dares attempt a total ban of abortion, the negative consequences of such stupidity will be almost immediately apparent. It won’t last. However, the protection of the unborn innocent is a positive. I’m looking forward to seeing how far things go in the next year.

Women in red states vote, too.

No doubt. But that doesn’t reflect a majority sentiment that favors abortion. A ban affects far fewer concerned people in your state. This is not a problem in blue states.

It affects all human beings in terms of their sovereignty and their equality.

Are you saying there are fewer human beings in “red” states?

The most crazy anti-abortion activist in Poland is a woman, Kaja Godek.
She was among those behind the change in law that does not allow abortion even if the baby is known they wouldn't survive after birth. That's current law in Poland. Yes, there has been already a death of a mother who was denied abortion - the docs waited for the baby to die which ended in the mother dying, too.
And it was a woman who made this law - Julia Przyłębska.

Who say women are solidary to each other's suffering? Just as men send other men to die in wars.

Makes sense. Why not just work people to death for the sake of capitalism rather than the alternative.

Also it is the truth that governments enjoy blame shifting so why not blame all of this on religion.

They'll be putting people in camps next.

You don't talk much to your wife about how much it takes, do you?
I had to give up my career and needed psychiatric treatment because the burden of being a mother turned out more than I could carry. And I'm lucky to have a loving husband and no financial problems.
I never considered an abortion myself - but after what I've been throught, I can't judge women who make the other choice.

This is a deeply shameful moment in America's history and yet there's imbeciles celebrating.

Yep...just when you think the world can't get any madder.

It's about power and control. Who has the power to make the laws controls the people.

Pessimist: 'It can't be worse!'
Optimist: 'Sure it can!'

I'm an 'optimist' in this regard, unfortunately.

My state has the lowest voter turn out, a horrid educational system and the worst infant mortality rate.
https://www.kark.com/news/local-news/ar ... worse/amp/
I expect that rate will go up even more now.