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22 Aug 2022, 8:20 pm

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Ya I think society needs to be way less politically divided too.I wish people in this day in age could disagree with someone on political issue and still they think the other side was a good person.Like I know I disagree with yall a lot but I think highly of all of yall


Agreed. I can understand there's issues where that's really not possible, but by-and-large it's better to work to build consensus than to treat every disagreement as a fight (or argument, or debate).

Why can't things be discussions, at least some of the time? Sometimes even if one doesn't agree with someone on a ideological level they'll still have a perspective that can inform one's own, either because they introduce new facts one was unaware of or because one is forced to reconcile their position after a flaw has been identified.

Personally I dont think government should work in a bipartisan manner at all but I think everyone should still be willing to be civil about it.



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22 Aug 2022, 9:15 pm

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.I plan on creating a lot of jobs in my life using Reaganomics.


Reagan was so far left by today's standards - even Bernie can only dream of a top marginal income tax of 50% now.

We are living in the wet dream of neoliberalism and the only reason why Reaganomics is a rightwing ideal is because of the framing - de facto, Reagan won, and he won on every front, decades ago.

And I think it's clear that it isn't working, and if it keeps not working, the angry poor will get so angry they will follow anyone who promises to tear it all up. It's no longer Hayek or Keynes - it has been Hayek for a generation now. It's Keynes, Hitler or Stalin again. But this time with nukes and an American population armed to the teeth.
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23 Aug 2022, 5:29 pm

Someone on Ben Shapiro’s subreddit complained about pride flags in classrooms, specifically middle school classrooms. I responded with this:

“The pride flag is necessary to have in a classroom because it is important for LGBT students to understand that they are accepted in a world of homophobia, especially if they have parents who disown them for being gay, which happens way too much. If this were at an elementary school I could understand the backlash but middle school is obviously where people first discover their sexuality”

Someone replied to that:

“No, it isn't. My job is to teach them English and keep them from killing each other while they're in my class. It is not to do anything else. And no one who isn't my principal gets to tell me what I have to have on my room walls.”

That person completely missed the point, which of course they did, bc something like LGBT acceptance has to be something America is divided on. :roll:

Even though I was never in a classroom with a pride flag, I understand their intent with the use of the flag and I don’t make a big deal about it. But no, it’s gotta be more complicated than that.


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23 Aug 2022, 8:15 pm

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Someone on Ben Shapiro’s subreddit complained about pride flags in classrooms, specifically middle school classrooms. I responded with this:


Why are you on the Ben Shapiro subreddit? I thought you were tired of right wing opinions?


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23 Aug 2022, 8:20 pm

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questions like taxing financial transactions, instead working people's wages.

What do you mean by "taxing financial transactions"? Sales tax?

Surely you don't favor replacing income tax with sales tax? That would be pretty regressive. So perhaps you mean something else?

Well I would sure vote for abolishing the income tax system and replacing it with a sales tax and/or property tax but hey thats just me.I think that no millionaire or billionaire should ever pay another penny in taxes again.


Sales and property taxes fall disproportionately on the poor and those who can least afford it.

So. Do you really think that the poor, who can't afford it, should fund the government, while the rich, who obviously expect to benefit from government and have more control over it, shouldn't pay a fair share?


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23 Aug 2022, 8:25 pm

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Well actually someone who makes 30,000 a year does not have to pay long-term capital gains and dividend taxes.The taxes on capital gains and dividends are bracketed also with the super rich paying up to about 23 percent in capital gains and dividend taxes.


In other words: if you work yourself, you pay more taxes on your wages than if you profit off other peoples' work.


Pretty much. We tax income earned by personal effort higher than income earned from investing or leveraging. There are far fewer loopholes for those who actually work for their wealth, as well. The system here in the US heavily favors existing wealth, investment and leveraging.


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23 Aug 2022, 8:33 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
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Well actually someone who makes 30,000 a year does not have to pay long-term capital gains and dividend taxes.The taxes on capital gains and dividends are bracketed also with the super rich paying up to about 23 percent in capital gains and dividend taxes.


In other words: if you work yourself, you pay more taxes on your wages than if you profit off other peoples' work.

at least 50 percent of Americans dont pay any federal income taxes when counting for transfers.Also millionaires and billionaires and the top 10 percent pay most of the taxes in this country.Poor people dont really pay federal income taxes but billionaires do for the most part.Have you ever got a job from a poor person?Thats why we need Reaganomics forever.Someone who works at McDonalds making min wage pays less taxes than a someone in the one percent living off of McDonalds stock in the form of dividends.Poor people need to start paying federal income taxes and not getting as much back at tax day.The lower-middle class and working class and McJob workers needs to pay more federal income taxes.The upper middle class needs a big tax cut off of our taxes.


Reaganomics did not actually work. It increased the pay gap disparity and lowered the standard of living for middle class Americans, reversing everything that had turned the US into THE world dominate economic power by the 1970's (which we longer are). 99% of Americans are literally worse off than before his presidency. In reality, wealth trickles UP, not down. And I say that as someone who supported Reagan's tax cut back then, thinking no one should pay more than 50% of their income in taxes. I've been alive long enough to see the mess that started. Increasing middle class poverty does not help you or anyone else financially; it increases anger and frustration, reduces the motivation to do a good job, increases crime, reduces life expectancy, reduces productivity, and so on. There is a delicate balance to be found between incentivizing the "investors" and incentivizing the "workers." We've gone far to far to the "investors" side, to where they aren't actually using their money in ways that benefit the overall economy at all, and to where workers are frustrated and ANGRY.


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23 Aug 2022, 9:59 pm

Dox47 wrote:
CubsBullsBears wrote:
Someone on Ben Shapiro’s subreddit complained about pride flags in classrooms, specifically middle school classrooms. I responded with this:


Why are you on the Ben Shapiro subreddit? I thought you were tired of right wing opinions?
I like to pay attention to what’s being said on that side and in this case, explain to peeps why they would want to have a pride flag on a class room and why it shouldn’t be a big deal.


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23 Aug 2022, 10:07 pm

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I like to pay attention to what’s being said on that side and in this case, explain to peeps why they would want to have a pride flag on a class room and why it shouldn’t be a big deal.


So, it's fair to say that you're complaining about views that you actively seek out?


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24 Aug 2022, 4:16 am

Dox47 wrote:
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I like to pay attention to what’s being said on that side and in this case, explain to peeps why they would want to have a pride flag on a class room and why it shouldn’t be a big deal.


So, it's fair to say that you're complaining about views that you actively seek out?


Yes, that way he can complain from first-hand experience, rather than simply making assumptions.

Of course, you would never intentionally join a subject you didn't like just so you could complain about it, right?

As much as you champion your outrage of "leftists", you sure are determined to mix and mingle with them, only to complain about it, to them.

Anyways, you were making a point about seeking out things to complain about. Please continue.



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24 Aug 2022, 10:12 am

Yes, everyone is familiar with my long history of posts about hanging out on Democratic Underground and then complaining about finding Democrats there.


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24 Aug 2022, 10:17 am

I believe it's essential that one read divergent views, and not to avoid anything.

It's better to "hear" it from the "horse's mouth" than it is to listen to third-hand accounts.



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24 Aug 2022, 12:17 pm

I wonder if I should start a thread titled “Sick of extreme left views’”
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24 Aug 2022, 12:24 pm

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I wonder if I should start a thread titled “Sick of extreme left views’”
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Go for it


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24 Aug 2022, 12:40 pm

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I wonder if I should start a thread titled “Sick of extreme left views’”
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Go for it


I don’t know, might be considered an act of trollery if I did it. Different rules ya know.
Just sayin’....


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24 Aug 2022, 12:45 pm

Go for it, buddy!

It'll probably be of the same character as the "sick of extreme Right views" thread.