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25 Jul 2005, 5:03 pm

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SpaceCase, I don't think there is anything wrong with being a Gothic Christian, but perhaps the fact that you felt the need to put Gothic Christian indicates that you yourself feel that being Gothic in some was conflicts with or detracts from your Christianity? If adding that you are Gothic helps you to describe yourself, then by all means do, but I just wanted to say that you shouldn't feel that you have to 'warn' people that you are Gothic. As you are saying that you aren't a member of a Gothic Christian cult, the bottom line is that your religious inclination is Christian: the Goth part just adds to that. It wouldn't matter if you were a one-eyed tattooed homosexual Goth with a fetish for vibrators: you would still be a Christian.

I hope that made sense. I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't tell people that you are a Goth, but for example, some homosexuals feel the need to say that they are a homosexual Christian out of fear that other people would deny their Christianity if they knew that they were gay. Don't feel that you *have* to justify yourself because you don't: you are who you are.

Phew, I'm feeling a bit long winded today! Sorry folks!



No,no,I'm really Christian...I'm just a Goth,too.For more info on Gothic Christians go here www.christiangoth.com


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26 Jul 2005, 3:29 am

Meep, I think I put that all wrong. I think I was just trying to say you shouldn't feel compelled to say you are a Goth. It seems kind of like me saying I am a Christian girl who loves cats. Sure, the fact that I love cats and am female is rather crucial to who I am, but it would be most ludicrous for anyone to suggest that these things detract from my Christianity. Unless I am very much mistaken, the same goes for you.

In other words, no offense taken, and I think that's great that you have found a niche!


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26 Jul 2005, 10:13 am

Raised Protestant (Methodist, Congregationalist, etc.), but stopped going to church at 12 of my own volition when I realized that I believed not a single word that the ministers were preaching to me. I was an agnostic for a long while afterwards, but I'm now leaning toward atheism.


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26 Jul 2005, 10:23 am

Anyone in Australia ever seen the show John Safran vs. God? To everyone else it's a show that follows a very funny man named John Safran (who also did a show which was a satire on the music industry called John Safran's Music Jamboree which was equally as good) road testing different religions each episode to find out which was the right one for him. It's one of the few shows I've seen that's both hilarious and educational, as you learn a lot about religions I never heard of.

There was one episode where he did a parody of the religious doorknockers (you know the ones who knock on peoples doors to promote their religion), by doing a doorknocking to promote Atheism, where he says to people things like "What if the apocalypse never happened?" "What if Adam and Eve and all the other stuff in the bible wasn't true?" and it's funny to see some of the people's reactions like one man who told him to get out.


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28 Jul 2005, 2:06 am

Agnostic is me. Was raised variously Protestant, but never took any of it seriously, even as a young child. As soon as I read what an "agnostic" was, I knew that it was the term for my perspective on things, but I was agnostic before then. I don't see how anyone could prove that there isn't a God, and even if someone could prove that there is a super-powerful, extremely-wise, benevolent deity of some sort out there, I fail to see how one could get from there to proving that said entity is in actuality the all-powerful, all-knowing, and definitively good God.

I generally feel that the existence of some "higher power" in any form is unlikely but possible. However, there's nothing short of directly manipulating my mental state that could convince me that any particular higher power knows what's good for me better than I do. :D



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28 Jul 2005, 2:13 am

anyone fancy doing the stats on this subject? i, for one, would be interested in seeng the spread of relgions here, but i really can't be arsed going through all the posts and compiling the stats.

go on, someone - you know you want to... ;)



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28 Jul 2005, 10:46 am

vetivert wrote:
anyone fancy doing the stats on this subject? i, for one, would be interested in seeng the spread of relgions here, but i really can't be arsed going through all the posts and compiling the stats.

go on, someone - you know you want to... ;)


It would be an interesting idea to do one on this and one on political stance, then compare the two. I want to know if there is any relation between religious beliefs and political stance, or if everyone's different because most of the Christian people I know in real life are more conservative, but not all.


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28 Jul 2005, 10:50 am

Christian musicians are usually on the most liberal end of Christianity.


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28 Jul 2005, 11:17 am

Does it mater really what religion one is or what god exists (if any)?
what should mater is how we live our lives and the happiness and fulfillment one finds in it.
If there be a god, then the basic god wants the same thing as most generic gods of our modern age, for us to love and care for each other and our selves. to protect the gifts that was given us by rights of life and nature, (earth, air, water, freedom).
I would not want a god that ordered me to destroy another life just because they thought different but caused no harm unto others, or one that always is saying its going to be his way or you will burn in hell and then there is no way to become that perfection desired except by begging for forgiveness over and over again.



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28 Jul 2005, 3:13 pm

good point, mutant. but that's not religion - that's dogma. or fundamentalism.



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28 Jul 2005, 3:48 pm

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Agnostic. I believe in a higher power, but I don't believe that any certain practice or text is the right one.


Could someone please explain the difference between atheism and agnosticism? I've tried to come up with an answer, but cannot seem to understand it.


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28 Jul 2005, 3:52 pm

I am a Christian who back-slid but have started attending church (again)



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28 Jul 2005, 3:53 pm

Atheists believe that God doesn't exist.
Agnostic beliefs range from being unsure about God's existence to believing in a higher power or God that is unknowable.



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28 Jul 2005, 7:11 pm

Atheist. I believe religion is the world's biggest problem. It is irrational and causes wars and bigotry.



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29 Jul 2005, 4:39 am

I am an atheist too. Whats the difference between religion and politics again...?



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29 Jul 2005, 6:32 am

You don't believe in the existence of politics? :)

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