Politics dividing families at Thanksgiving time

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I think in order to mend families, a preset rule should be established in which politics are not to be discussed during the family gathering, and alcohol consumption should be limited as drink has the tendency to bring out the worst in people (I unfortunately know this from personal experience, and no I'm not claiming to have been the innocent victim).
A word to my fellow progressives: don't let politics rip your family apart, or else that orange fraud wins.

My feelings: Anyone who supported such a vile, disgusting criminal to lead our country I have nothing in common with. During WWII it would be like telling resistance fighters to accept Hitler for the sake of pretending to get along with his supporters.

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My family is mostly dead. I spent Thanksgiving at a friend's house. Everybody there was super liberal and bummed about Trump, talking about the end of democracy and of civilization as we know it. Election was rigged and/or voters are stupid racists, homophobes, transphobes & misogynists; corrupt Trump will destroy the economy. Abortion will become illegal, and Gen Z does not know what that is like, but will find out. Kamala messed up by not appearing on Joe Rogan. What else. I forget the rest.

I did not agree with it all, but I did not get upset about hearing viewpoints differing from my own. I was interested in how similar the views of the liberals are to those of the Trumpers, they say almost the identical things, just replace the names that they are talking about with the other tribe's. I never disputed anything anybody said.

It is OK to have a different point of view. This is not threatening in any way to me.

The best thing I took away was the name of a person who can score weed for $200 an ounce, I may take advantage if I ever need some. That is one thing you can rely on the liberals for, access to drugs. I have still not resolved yet whether I will avoid cannabis the rest of my life or not. I think that if I ever experience chronic pain or some other physical malady, then I might want cannabis, as an alternative remedy to the expensive and addictive junk peddled by the Pharmaceutical industry.

I think it is valuable to have relations with both conservatives and liberals and listen to their points of views but do not get too invested in either side.

I'd stay away from the weed unless you want those pesky liberal thoughts creeping in.

The rise of BlueAnon on the left has been fascinating to watch, it's amazing how they will say stuff like that and in the next breath talk about Trump voters being in a cult, the lack of self awareness is breathtaking.

Very sensible advice, and honestly I think we'd all be better off if politics largely returned to being an off limit topic, like how much you make and what you do in the bedroom.

You really seem overly fixated on you and I personally. Clearly some Trump supporters feel wounded by being excluded, otherwise they wouldn't be complaining about it on social media.

Since you're not one of them, it doesn't matter how you'd feel in their situation.




It's funny how you're very sensitive about being belittled but perfectly fine with doing the belittling. You've been belittling in most of our interactions and not just during your current visit.

Also, you still haven't said anything to make the case that cutting toxic people out of one's life is self-harm. You can assert it, but what's yet another baseless assertion of yours worth?

Your argument that I'm unfamiliar with Trump supporters is based on nothing but your own sense of incredulity that I might actually have some experience with these people. It's not like I'm surrounded by Canadian Trump fans who share similar views with their American counterparts and it's not like I've ever engaged with American Trump supporters online.

You're providing a lovely example of why some people might not wish to maintain relationships with people like you. Reducing those interactions in one's life isn't self-harm, it's self-healing. You just have to reframe it as self-harm by crazy people because otherwise you might have to engage in some self-reflection and some criticism of people you otherwise agree with for how they choose to act with the people they claim are their friends and loved ones. Maybe antisocial politics and antisocial personalities tend to attract each other and maybe some Trump supporters are unbearable to be around. I'm not saying that they're the only bloc that contains those personalities, I'm just saying these Trump supporters almost certainly aren't blameless and that these are probably cases of the last straw rather than completely unprovoked meltdowns.

I will agree with this. People insisting that the election was stolen or rigged are lying to themselves because they don't want to admit their side wasn't able to make a compelling enough case to persuade enough voters.

Biden dropped out too late and Harris didn't have enough time to get her policies out there to get enough support. But I voted for her regardless because I will vote for anyone who isn't Trump, even a bear. And that is something we cannot wrap our minds too.

Again, projecting. I'm responding to you personalizing the argument, as well as your repeated attempts to put words in my mouth as I've not once said anything about the wounded feelings of Trump supporters. Can you actually not follow what I'm saying, or can you not meet my arguments and so keep substituting your own?




You keep confusing sensitivity with me mocking your poor attempts at provocation; it's like the anti gun people making small dick jokes, it's just tired and predictable at this point.

Even if I were to stipulate for the sake of argument that I'm not as nice as I could be, you are not the person to make that case, considering your own acidic posting style and constant retreats to sarcasm in lieu of reasoning; you're just lucky enough to be able to get away with it because of the tilt of this particular board, a tilt that's grown noticeably worse in recent years. You said it yourself in this or the other thread, all of the right wing people have been banned or run off, kinda like your holiday gatherings from what you've been saying.



Heh, I'll put my track record on assertions up against your any day, but that's besides the point as I don't think you've actually made a case here, it's just "people who voted for a candidate you disapprove of are toxic", without anything supporting the statement. A relative that's been kind to you your whole life but has a different vision of how the state should be run? A lifelong friend with different priorities than you? Just toss them on the trash because of how they voted? I'm not saying that's self harm, I'm saying it's stupid and probably a miserable way to live, especially considering how politically ignorant most people are.



Actually, it's based on the things you say that don't match up with reality, but go ahead and keep trying to put words in my mouth if it makes you happy.



Disputing their opinions on the internet? Keep in mind, you're the one pursuing me here, I just made comments in a couple of threads that weren't directed at anyone in particular, everything since has been a reaction to posts directed at me.



Huh? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.

I think she'd had to have had policies in order to get support for them.

From my point of view, not one Presidential candidate in this election was worth voting for. They were all a bunch of rotten turkeys.

I didn't want to leave it blank so I did vote for the Libertarian candidate.

Other than me, at our Thanksgiving Dinner, we had supporters for Trump and supporters for Harris and some who were completely apolitical. I had a pretty good idea about who supported who at the dinner. Fortunately, everyone stayed away from politics while eating.

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Well that's just nonsense. Of course she had policies. That's just a fact.