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04 Feb 2025, 8:33 pm

SailorsGuy12 wrote:

Of course there is always going to be some immigration, wanting no immigration at all is the true extreme position. I believe in limited immigration, legal and illegal, especially in the developed countries like in the US context (350+million people and besides the economic and social issues, you get the overpopulation and infrastructure elements, wage depression, etc.), same for European countries where all the individual European countries are like large US states more or less.

It doesn't always have to do with race and when people say it does it is usually more about culture than skin color or appearance.

Limited with specific criteria is best

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05 Feb 2025, 4:26 am

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I enjoy living in a multicultural society, particularly due to food, but I wish I was better at understanding accents.

Same here. I get along fine with many people from other countries and other traditions.

My last year of college, I lived in an apartment complex that catered to foreign students. I only knew of one other non-foreign student in the complex. It was interesting around supper time because there were so many different aromas blended together from the cooking in the individual apartments.

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05 Feb 2025, 6:26 am

kokopelli wrote:

Carbonhalo wrote:

I enjoy living in a multicultural society, particularly due to food, but I wish I was better at understanding accents.

I found them pretty good when I was in uni, there was one who was one who brought his motorbike over from Pakistan, a little 125 proudly displaying 6 digits of total miles. That was a fun bike.

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05 Feb 2025, 7:54 am

I'm happy to believe that all government parties actually love immigration because it serves as a handy distraction for what the real issues are

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05 Feb 2025, 8:01 am

^I think it's more practical than that. Economic growth is a pyramid scheme. In order for people to keep getting richer you need more and more people at the bottom working and consuming.

In the UK, as elsewhere in the Western world, we have people living longer, having fewer children and having them later in life.

The resulting shortfall in low-income, high productivity demographics is being filled by immigrants.

That's why governments, Labour or Tory, can't just close the gates.

It's why some people argue for circular or donut economics instead of this unsustainable push for growth all the time.

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05 Feb 2025, 10:40 am

It's clearly the governments who encourage people to come here no matter whether it's tourism or immigration yet some politicians seem to revel in using negative language thus encouraging hatred from certain groups and those groups are unfortunately growing

This confuses and frustrated me because I do believe there are quite a lot of people out there who are being labelled as racist but in fact they are only following on from what certain politicians are preaching on about....not everyone is capable of independent thought and also (and I know it's hard to understand) some people don't know their views are racist or even right wing...I just feel so sad for society ATM with the way it's going

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05 Feb 2025, 10:52 am

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This confuses and frustrated me because I do believe there are quite a lot of people out there who are being labelled as racist but in fact they are only following on from what certain politicians are preaching on about....

Don't underestimate the role the newspapers have played in getting us here. The Daily Mail and Express have been drip-feeding anti-immigrant poison into their readers ears for at least 30 years.

I tend to see politicians as capitalising on public opinion rather than leading it.

Someone like Farage or Trump I see as a symptom of the problem rather than the cause.

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05 Feb 2025, 11:02 am

Oh yeah I meant to say the media as well

It's incredible how people love a work of one sided twisted truths

It's like a rallying call to the politically dispossessed

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05 Feb 2025, 11:07 am

Some of the same arguments against immigrants have been made against African Americans - historically and into the present. It’s just very sad to me. It’s like we never learn. It would be nice if this topic could be appropriately taught in schools, but that’s unlikely to happen any time soon in the US since the sizable racist population, including politicians, lose their s**t over this topic.

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05 Feb 2025, 11:27 am

The_Walrus wrote:

I removed two posts: one which was explicitly racist (saying that it is legitimate for immigration policy to discriminate on the grounds of race in order to preserve biological race) and the other which, while not rule-breaking in itself, was a direct response to the racist sentiments of that post.

I am aware of the contents of the previous pages, which are slightly more nuanced and require care I can't immediately dedicate to them. I will share my thoughts with Cornflake so we can respond appropriately.

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05 Feb 2025, 12:08 pm

Oh crumbs!

Sorry guys for any offence caused by this thread

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05 Feb 2025, 2:26 pm

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^ The thread is fine; many recent comments less so and have been removed.

Far too many accusations were being thrown about here with some of them extremely personal and apparently intended to hurt.
This is not acceptable and further instances will result in disciplinary action.

* Asking for more information on a post is not intrinsically dismissive.
It seems to occur quite often on WP: only responses that immediately agree or support what was said in a post are deemed acceptable; some perfectly reasonable responses are treated as attacks or as being dismissive, usually resulting in retaliatory attacks and thread death.

But asking for more information or being generally questioned about content is not a rule break provided what's asked is not itself a rule break.
The questions asked in this thread which kicked off a round of attacks were not rule breaks, and most of the attacks made were made on the basis of assumptions about some supposed intention behind the questions.

* Making a public post means that what's posted is open to questioning and/or discussion.
Reporting people who do ask questions is futile, unless the questioning in and of itself is a rule break.
Attacking them on a thread typically creates a rule break where none had previously existed.

No-one is obliged to believe without question something that was posted - especially in PPR, and it's unreasonable to expect that no questions should be asked.
IOW: don't be surprised and kick off with complaints when they are.

Any further extensions of the previous arguing and attacks will be removed.

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05 Feb 2025, 3:14 pm

If it was really about "border security", then:

1. Why do people only talk about the Mexican border? Nobody talks about securing the Canadian border, airports, or seaports.

2. Why do they think there is nothing between mass deportations and what the MAGAs call "open borders"? Couldn't things like better screening processes do the trick?

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05 Feb 2025, 4:48 pm

Border security is one of the top 3 election issues across the western world. In Australia immigration and illegals also comes up every election. But for us its people coming by boat. Refugees here are called "boat people". But the Australian public miss the biggest source of illegals who come by plane and overstay their visa.

And yes, its connected to racism, but also job security, over population, quality of life and other things.

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05 Feb 2025, 5:31 pm

I haven't got a problem with people of different race coming to the UK. It's the numbers I'm bothered about. 900,000 net immigration is not sustainable for society, housing and the NHS.

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06 Feb 2025, 1:03 am

Immigration numbers are impossible to debate now without being conflated with race.

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