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01 Aug 2005, 10:08 am

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I'm sure most would. But many wouldn't. Some, here in the UK, support the terrorist actions. Others, although not supporting them, would be unlikely to give much help in informing on their Muslim brothers. That, alas, is human nature — it's inevitable that people of similar race, religion and culture will stick together. You N American Christians are probably no different.

Personally, I think the "outrage" in the UK Muslim community is somewhat stage-managed — by the media, government, Muslim "community leaders" and the all-pervasive dogma of PC multiculturalism that prevents people believing that any ethnic minority group could be anything other than victims.

this is just racist crap, as is

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Best get to work with the bed sheets, old chap.

The first part's fact, the second's opinion, the final part is called humour, matey.

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01 Aug 2005, 10:29 am

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Some, here in the UK, support the terrorist actions.

that's the only fact I can see in the first part

and I agree, the second and third are opinion and humour...

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01 Aug 2005, 10:51 am

rumio wrote:

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Some, here in the UK, support the terrorist actions.

that's the only fact I can see in the first part

and I agree, the second and third are opinion and humour...

Well, keep your "this is just racist crap" jibes to yourself, then.

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01 Aug 2005, 11:16 am

I was walking down the street one day when some guy in a pick-up truck yelled out of the window "Go back to Saudi Arabia!" My first instinct was to yell back "Ok! But I'm from Connecticut!" but it took me forever to figure out why he had done that. I'm about as WASPy as you can get and, as I said, I'm from Connecticut. But then I happened to catch a glimpse of myself in a mirror standing next to a Muslim girl in a headscarf, and I realized that the way I had folded my scarf around my head in such a way as to most efficiently keep my ears warm without interfering with my peripheral vision was almost exactly the same as the traditional way to wear a hijab headscarf.

And that's my random anecdote for today.

On a more substantive note, Islam is a very fast growing religion among all different types of people, including caucasians. Personally, I'm an atheist, but having spent time with a number of Muslims and seen the depth of their faith, I think Islam is the religion I would join if I could believe in God.

Most male converts don't change the way they dress substantially, but a lot of women do take to wearing hijab after their conversions. Are most of these people you're seeing men or women?

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01 Aug 2005, 11:26 am

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Well, keep your "this is just racist crap" jibes to yourself, then.

since when did opinions and humour get to be immune to racism?

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01 Aug 2005, 12:16 pm

rumio wrote:

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Well, keep your "this is just racist crap" jibes to yourself, then.

since when did opinions and humour get to be immune to racism?

There is nothing racist about what I've said. The problem lies in that you have the mentality that perceives anything you don't like as racist. I wonder where that comes from?

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01 Aug 2005, 12:29 pm

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Someone should point out to you that (dum dum dummmmm) i am the omnipresent. Thats why i hate religions so much with their false gods and prophets.

yeah. right. :roll:

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01 Aug 2005, 12:31 pm

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i don't usually like my "name" being shortened (even my nickname), but "vv" is rather cute, so i'll let you get away with it

thanks vetty

you don't mind me calling you...oh...

I'll get me coat

sigh. have you never been warned about The Eyebrow...?

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01 Aug 2005, 1:00 pm

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fear The Eyebrow - fear it!

eyebrow seen heading north on M5 - police warn do not approach

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01 Aug 2005, 1:08 pm

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I wonder where that comes from?

damn that toilet training, I told them there'd be trouble

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01 Aug 2005, 1:16 pm

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Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of a religion. But I repeat myself.

Who are you talking about?

I was joking, not talking about anyone, the joke was about religious people as a collective.

Oh right i thought you were taking my joke about being omnipresent as a dig to atheists which it wasnt as im atheist myself. :oops:

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01 Aug 2005, 5:01 pm

okay, here's a link to an article by a respected british journalist, John Pilger, that I just found; anybody who's contributed to this thread or even viewed it and not said anything, please read this

http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles ... V0507-2756

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01 Aug 2005, 5:16 pm

and here's another one

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Arti ... C0507-2757

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01 Aug 2005, 5:52 pm

thanks, rumio. and john pilger is a very respected journalist. ( i won't say the same for the other link, as i don't know anything about the council, and don't spout on stuff i know nothing about - a rare trait, it seems...)

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01 Aug 2005, 8:00 pm

My Arabic teacher was Muslim, and born and raised in Iraq. He was also white, as are a number of Arabs. (And of course not all Muslims are Arab.)

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