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Is beating wives wrong?
I'm a conservative, and yes. 32%  32%  [ 15 ]
I'm a conservative, and no. 11%  11%  [ 5 ]
I'm a liberal, and yes. 49%  49%  [ 23 ]
I'm a liberal, and no. 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
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03 Nov 2007, 6:20 pm

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Of course, modern Christianity is against slavery and maltreatment


HA! That's a laugh! What modern book shall we use as a guide to modern christianity? the 'new' testament? so, can we throw the whole 'old' testament away?


...is pretty funny when contrasted with this part:

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the idea that anyone from Texas or 'Texas' as a living, thinking, acting entity is absurd and this sort of stereotyping is a joke.
There are plenty of people... political and not... living in Texas who do not believe in violence towards anyone, let alone family members.


Seems like you're saying that all Christians are the same, but we shouldn't dare apply that standard when judging Texans. :wink:


Hmmm, the way I see it, the person who made the blanket comment that "modern christianity..." was lumping all christians and their beliefs together and stereotyping.
I was taking the stance that it is laughable (meaning not to be taken seriously) that anyone could say that ALL 'modern christians' take the stance that was offered in the post.

I have known christians who, I believe, would fit the definition of 'modern' and they seem to have no problem with striking their wives or children.
I have heard at least one preacher claim, on national television, that women were subservient to their husbands and strict following of GOD's word was what every christian should work towards.

My comment about the bible and the old vs new testaments, was made to highlight how convenient it has always been for christians who use the bible to support their beliefs, to pick-and-choose which parts of the bible they will adhere to and which ones they will ignore.

The remark about Texas and Texans was a baseless comment about how ALL people from Texas seem to act and believe the same.
The use of the term Texan is not the same as the use of the term Christian.
A Texan can be someone born in Texas, or someone who lives in Texas. The characteristics of what a Texan is, are not adherent to any formally accepted format.

A Christian is someone who believes in Christ. These people have a book called the bible which they see as being GOD'S word.
It is generally accepted that christians try to live their lives according to the scriptures.
Texans have no such scriptures, no such book on which to base their lives... I should know... I was raised there :wink:

There's a lot of difference between the two, and I don't see my remarks that yo quoted as having anything to do with each other. :D


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03 Nov 2007, 6:49 pm

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What's the opinion on husband beating?
i do it. my husband deserves it


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03 Nov 2007, 6:53 pm

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What's the opinion on husband beating?
i do it. my husband deserves it


You can't say that... unless you've married your rocks! Which I'm not sure the supreme court would allow. :wink:


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03 Nov 2007, 6:56 pm

i was trying to detonate an explosive. maybe i should strap it to my bible next time


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03 Nov 2007, 10:55 pm

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Of course, modern Christianity is against slavery and maltreatment, whereas modern Islam is for all kinds of maltreatment, up to and including murder of the "infidel". (See 9/11) Women have to be covered from head to toe, and walk behind their husbands everywhere they go. They do not have the right to be educated, or vote.

Also, please post an answer to the thread's question. What's your position on wife beating?


Wow. How many muslims do you know exactly? That's offensive. All my Muslim friends would agree with me there.


Does a person need to know a certain number of Muslims before they're allowed to express an opinion on Islam?

Congratulations on having lots of Muslim friends by the way. You're clearly a modern man. We can't all be as popular as you though.



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03 Nov 2007, 10:58 pm

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There's a lot of difference between the two, and I don't see my remarks that yo quoted as having anything to do with each other. :D


I interpreted the ambiguity in a way you didn't intend and thought you were pushing a different agenda. Sorry 'bout that.


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03 Nov 2007, 11:34 pm

Wow! What can i say?



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03 Nov 2007, 11:41 pm

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Personally I find the premise of this thread pretty offensive. Not so much because of the implications about a subset of Muslims, but because of the casual, joking treatment of an issue that would be better discussed outright, not veiled in sarcasm and irony. This is an asperger's site, Ragtime. Make your point clearly and openly. I have no idea what you're trying to get at here, nor what sort of reaction you expected to get from your fellow members.


What? I am using no irony or sarcasm -- maybe that's what's throwing you. I'm speaking crystal-clearly: I'm saying I don't believe in wife beating, and I'm asking others their opinions.
There is nothing remotely casual about my presentation of this topic. I don't know why you thought there was.


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03 Nov 2007, 11:42 pm

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Who could criticize Texas? After all, it gave the USA a great president.


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Boy, you guys are messed up.


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03 Nov 2007, 11:47 pm

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i was trying to detonate an explosive. maybe i should strap it to my bible next time


Oh, my, my, my, we've now gotten onto the topic of suicide bombers... What a coincidence, really.


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03 Nov 2007, 11:49 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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Who could criticize Texas? After all, it gave the USA a great president.


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Boy, you guys are messed up.


I drew that picture myself. :wink: :heart: :heart: :heart:


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What? I am using no irony or sarcasm -- maybe that's what's throwing you. I'm speaking crystal-clearly: I'm saying I don't believe in wife beating, and I'm asking others their opinions.
There is nothing remotely casual about my presentation of this topic. I don't know why you thought there was.


I think it seems that your aim was more to point at the muslims of Saudi than to start a conversation about wife beating. But the subject is one of the scant few about which I cannot put my emotions aside, so I'm sure I'm not the most impartial judge of the original post.


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03 Nov 2007, 11:51 pm

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Wow! What can i say?


I don't know! ;)


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03 Nov 2007, 11:54 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
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Who could criticize Texas? After all, it gave the USA a great president.


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Boy, you guys are messed up.


I drew that picture myself. :wink: :heart: :heart: :heart:


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What? I am using no irony or sarcasm -- maybe that's what's throwing you. I'm speaking crystal-clearly: I'm saying I don't believe in wife beating, and I'm asking others their opinions.
There is nothing remotely casual about my presentation of this topic. I don't know why you thought there was.


I think it seems that your aim was more to point at the muslims of Saudi than to start a conversation about wife beating.

It's a bit of both, really, in response to that news story I ran across.
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But the subject is one of the scant few about which I cannot put my emotions aside, so I'm sure I'm not the most impartial judge of the original post.

I wouldn't ever recommend putting your emotions aside -- and by the way, you do so freakishly well!


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04 Nov 2007, 3:29 am

Since God seems to have given his only son to reform mankind many people, Christians and otherwise, have done likewise and sent their sons to be blasted in war to reform the world. Neither God nor the other son donaters seem to have done much more by their actions except screw up the world more severely. God seems to have learned His lesson by not trying again the same way. Perhaps other people should take that for a lesson.



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04 Nov 2007, 3:35 am

Ragtime wrote:
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i was trying to detonate an explosive. maybe i should strap it to my bible next time


Oh, my, my, my, we've now gotten onto the topic of suicide bombers... What a coincidence, really.


I thought he meant he was trying to get a BIG reaction out of someone... anyone... and I, of course, failed to provide that :(
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04 Nov 2007, 3:37 am

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There's a lot of difference between the two, and I don't see my remarks that yo quoted as having anything to do with each other. :D


I interpreted the ambiguity in a way you didn't intend and thought you were pushing a different agenda. Sorry 'bout that.


Thanks... no hard feelings on my part! :D EVER! :wink:

Actually, I appreciate your post and challenge, because I had to go back and read my post over again and take time to think it all through.

Good mental exercise, thank you.

How much do you charge? :P


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