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12 Nov 2007, 8:51 am

And sexuality, jsut because your not getting it does not mean you don't need it, it was the same with the moneys, this is a proven science why can you not read? Are you illiterate or lazy? I provided you an entire link to a proven science.
Nature is a brutal place, it is natural on an individual level to have to fulfill this drive. The "higher apes" as you put it only care about making sure THEY get it themselves, as individuals, they nor the female apes could care less about the others. It is nature, it's brutal. However, even they understood this basic tenet way back then, which is why prostitution is one of if not the world's oldest professions, pre-dating money and going back to the cavemen, women would trade the lower apes goods for sex, and as a result the "lower apes" wouldn't flip their lid and destroy the rest of their tribe in a fit of rage.
Look what incel has caused (and I am not condoning any of this behavior, just making a point), priest molesting children, prisoners raping prisoners, islamic suicide bombers using incel as a tool to condition recruits, I could go on and on.
Point is, I provided you sound proof, STOP IGNORING EVIDENCE JUST BECAUSE YOUR NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.



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12 Nov 2007, 9:11 am

I entirely agreed with the concept of sexual benefits for dis/differabled until your thread got me thinking again about it. So please don't be rude.I was in fact very comfortable with the idea. At first sight it seemed reasonable, indeed overdue, as a right for differabled , but on looking MORE at the issue I wondered about it again.
The very existence of prostitutes seems to suggest that male-on-female sex has always been an extra/a luxury, for those who can afford it, mostly married men for some strange reason!!
Satisfying sex drive, pure sex drive, doesn't need another person unless considerably physically handicapped. And most people , most places , have the right to auto-eroticism !
It's the affection and general touch, contact , which is essential to most humans to some degree or another. Massage etc, as I said.
Meltdowns are NOT the result of sexual frustration.
Sexual abuses are NOT the result of sexual frustration, but of lack of empathy and incapacity for intimacy in personality disorders etc etc.
I gathered a few years ago from a muslim guy that apparently ( ?) Islamic law stipulates special "leave" for men to go back to wives every 3/6 (?) months because the Koran (?) teaches that once a man has had sex he "needs" it thereafter at regular intervals if he is not to become mentally ill. I think it is awful that people are taught this as if it were true.
It occurs to me that it could be quite frightening to think that.

Also "healthy sexuality" is not "developed" by sexual activity, but by experience in childhood.

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12 Nov 2007, 12:38 pm

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I entirely agreed with the concept of sexual benefits for dis/differabled until your thread got me thinking again about it. So please don't be rude.I was in fact very comfortable with the idea. At first sight it seemed reasonable, indeed overdue, as a right for differabled , but on looking MORE at the issue I wondered about it again.
The very existence of prostitutes seems to suggest that male-on-female sex has always been an extra/a luxury, for those who can afford it, mostly married men for some strange reason!!
Satisfying sex drive, pure sex drive, doesn't need another person unless considerably physically handicapped. And most people , most places , have the right to auto-eroticism !
It's the affection and general touch, contact , which is essential to most humans to some degree or another. Massage etc, as I said.
Meltdowns are NOT the result of sexual frustration.
Sexual abuses are NOT the result of sexual frustration, but of lack of empathy and incapacity for intimacy in personality disorders etc etc.
I gathered a few years ago from a muslim guy that apparently ( ?) Islamic law stipulates special "leave" for men to go back to wives every 3/6 (?) months because the Koran (?) teaches that once a man has had sex he "needs" it thereafter at regular intervals if he is not to become mentally ill. I think it is awful that people are taught this as if it were true.
It occurs to me that it could be quite frightening to think that.

Also "healthy sexuality" is not "developed" by sexual activity, but by experience in childhood.

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Actually, yes it is, the link I provided proved that. Sexuality **with a partner** is a human right and need, it is about more than "getting a nut off", it is about bonding, the emotional and psychological aspect. Sexual intimacy releases a chemical from the brain that is necessary for human emotional growth and developement.
Look at the facts, prisoners raping other prisoners, incel being used as a tool to condition suicide bombers, priests taking a "vow of celibacy" and resorting to behind-the-scenes child molestation.... I'm NOT, repeat NOT condoning this behavior, but it does point to the problems incel creates.



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12 Nov 2007, 12:38 pm

Just because you can't take the evidence doesn't mean it isn't true, truth does not cater to your personal opinion.



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12 Nov 2007, 12:40 pm

Or is this just one of those things you intentionally see through rose-colored glasses, ie "it's sexist because feminists or liberals say so". I will inform you there are disabled feminists who support our sexual rights too.



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12 Nov 2007, 2:08 pm

Nothing about it being sexist had crossed my mind.

I can't see how "sexuality with a partner" could ever be a human right.



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12 Nov 2007, 3:07 pm

Read through it, it explains it. Would you consider freedom a right? A basic human need for hapiness? I mean, you can survive without freedom, but you wouldn't like it much would you?

Even the most anti-social human is still a sociable creature, this is how we are genetically designed. You probably know somewhere in the back of your mind that had you been in our shoes you would not much like it either.... But your at least semi-attractive female, the ball is in your court, we guys have to do all the courting.... Disability does not hinder your chances as bad as it does a man's. There are a select few women who are incel but theyr usually either low functioning people with disorders or they are very physically unnattractive (but they still deserve the right to experience their sexuality too, reguardless...... But there also has to be a real attraction which kinda makes things difficult)...... But this is a proven science, recognized by most nations and international organizations, you'll actually have to study and read it.



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13 Nov 2007, 4:38 pm

snake321 wrote:
Read through it, it explains it. Would you consider freedom a right? A basic human need for hapiness? I mean, you can survive without freedom, but you wouldn't like it much would you?

Even the most anti-social human is still a sociable creature, this is how we are genetically designed. You probably know somewhere in the back of your mind that had you been in our shoes you would not much like it either.... But your at least semi-attractive female, the ball is in your court, we guys have to do all the courting.... Disability does not hinder your chances as bad as it does a man's. There are a select few women who are incel but theyr usually either low functioning people with disorders or they are very physically unnattractive (but they still deserve the right to experience their sexuality too, reguardless...... But there also has to be a real attraction which kinda makes things difficult)...... But this is a proven science, recognized by most nations and international organizations, you'll actually have to study and read it.


Do ugly women deserve sex surrogates too? Do you propose they get them?


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13 Nov 2007, 5:36 pm

You rail against slavery. Then you propose government-supplied sex partners for those who can't get their own.

Seems to me that if one can't find a sexual partner, at least part of the reason is because potential partners find one unappealing. In this event, how does one propose to square one's own "freedom" to get laid, with the government-supplied partner's freedom to choose who, exactly, he/she wants to do the horizontal mambo with?

Or do "freedoms" only apply to you?


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13 Nov 2007, 6:36 pm

what's wrong with regular prostitution? did i miss something? think i have..... /skimpers away


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13 Nov 2007, 6:58 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
You rail against slavery. Then you propose government-supplied sex partners for those who can't get their own.

Seems to me that if one can't find a sexual partner, at least part of the reason is because potential partners find one unappealing. In this event, how does one propose to square one's own "freedom" to get laid, with the government-supplied partner's freedom to choose who, exactly, he/she wants to do the horizontal mambo with?

Or do "freedoms" only apply to you?


Some people will willingly choose to take a certain amount of money/other material benefits in exchange for having sex/going out/etc with someone they wouldn't have otherwise done so with. Nobody would be forced to do anything. There are lots of people out there that don't like their jobs, after all, i.e. they're in it just for the money.


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13 Nov 2007, 9:03 pm

Surrogacy applies to anyone who needs it, abled or disabled, male or female. No matter their attributes. It is a human right for everyone. Prostitution is fine, they should legalise it though and make it affordable for lower income clientele, possibly by a government funded program of some sort (ie an alternate pay route), because most people can not afford to pay $150-$300 every other week.



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13 Nov 2007, 9:05 pm

pbcoll wrote:
DeaconBlues wrote:
You rail against slavery. Then you propose government-supplied sex partners for those who can't get their own.

Seems to me that if one can't find a sexual partner, at least part of the reason is because potential partners find one unappealing. In this event, how does one propose to square one's own "freedom" to get laid, with the government-supplied partner's freedom to choose who, exactly, he/she wants to do the horizontal mambo with?

Or do "freedoms" only apply to you?


Some people will willingly choose to take a certain amount of money/other material benefits in exchange for having sex/going out/etc with someone they wouldn't have otherwise done so with. Nobody would be forced to do anything. There are lots of people out there that don't like their jobs, after all, i.e. they're in it just for the money.


Exactly, nobody is being forced into prostitution, there is a difference between prostitution and sexual slavery. Many people will choose to do this of their own free will, prostitution is one of the world's oldest professions.



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13 Nov 2007, 9:06 pm

Sedaka wrote:
what's wrong with regular prostitution? did i miss something? think i have..... /skimpers away


Well Aridarr brought this sexual rights topic up, initially I did not want this thread to boil down into sexual rights, I was mainly focused on other issues dealing with disability rights.