16 Nov 2007, 11:49 am
16 Nov 2007, 12:22 pm
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Be he a Baptist, Scientologist or Zoroastrian, in the heat of battle Deacon will call down Divine retribution on all net sinners, and will never miss an opportunity to blather endlessly about his religion. Deacon is fervent and earnest, but seldom contributes anything of interest or substance to the discussion. Occasionally Tireless Rebutter or Philosopher will rouse themselves engage Deacon in battle, but they soon lose interest because of his utter predictability.
16 Nov 2007, 1:39 pm
RadiantAspie wrote:
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Be he a Baptist, Scientologist or Zoroastrian, in the heat of battle Deacon will call down Divine retribution on all net sinners, and will never miss an opportunity to blather endlessly about his religion. Deacon is fervent and earnest, but seldom contributes anything of interest or substance to the discussion. Occasionally Tireless Rebutter or Philosopher will rouse themselves engage Deacon in battle, but they soon lose interest because of his utter predictability.
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16 Nov 2007, 1:40 pm
16 Nov 2007, 5:26 pm
Trigger11 wrote:
What did we lose?
our ignorance
17 Nov 2007, 2:56 am
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17 Nov 2007, 8:55 am
skafather84 wrote:
at the defense of atheists: we are at a disadvantage here....we don't kill people who don't convert to our side...unlike the christians.
I think you would do it if you could.
There is nothing in Atheism or atheists that would stop them from killing people who think differently. What Stalin did can be done again. There's no reason to believe that atheists are more moral than anyone else.
Pretend to be good until we all can see that you are just as evil as everyone else.
That's the grim truth.
17 Nov 2007, 3:41 pm
17 Nov 2007, 4:15 pm
skafather84 wrote:
Dreamer2 wrote:
There is nothing in Atheism or atheists that would stop them from killing people who think differently.
i'm in between projects at work so i can't do heavy research but a strong majority of the people who have committed murders are christian or otherwise religious...i think only 15% or so are atheist, if i'm not mistaken.
so...uh...f**k you you worthless piece of sh**.
The atheists are in minority anyway, that they are in minority in prisons too doesn't prove anything.
What I'm trying to say is that your conscience isn't different from anyone else's. Atheists too are capable of committing mass-murders and persecutions of people who have committed no other crime than thinking in a different way.
And no, I don't want to f*ck you. Why do the "morally superior" people always insult me?
17 Nov 2007, 4:54 pm
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17 Nov 2007, 5:15 pm
Angelus-Mortis wrote:
ion wrote:
I'm fairly sure the bible writers had other things on their mind than obsessing about the shape of the earth.
It's not meant as a geography book.
And I have better things to do than trying to knock down a wall of stubbornness.
It's not meant as a geography book.
And I have better things to do than trying to knock down a wall of stubbornness.
If they did, they shouldn't have mentioned it at all. Unless it was in some way relevant to something else they needed to explain, in which case if it hinges upon the Earth being a flat circle, then they're grossly inaccurate.
The flat earth isn't taught in the Bible, I've already refuted that on another thread. If you must, go search what Christian sites, such as http://www.answersingenesis.org say. As for the verse in Isaiah you are freely quoting the adjective flat does not occur. Circle is חוג "chug" which is a noun coming from the verb meaning "to encircle, encompass, surround" and in the context:
Isaiah 40:22-23 KJV+(Strong's numbers)
(22) It is He that sitteth3427 upon5921 the circle2329 of the earth,776 and the inhabitants3427 thereof are as grasshoppers;2284 that stretcheth out5186 the heavens8064 as a curtain,1852 and spreadeth them out4969 as a tent168 to dwell in:3427
(23) That bringeth5414 the princes7336 to nothing;369 He maketh6213 the judges8199 of the earth776 as vanity.8414
It is actually a reference to God's omnipresence and not to the shape of the earth.
Angelus-Mortis wrote:
Dreamer2 wrote:
The atheists are in minority anyway, that they are in minority in prisons too doesn't prove anything. Rolling Eyes
What I'm trying to say is that your conscience isn't different from anyone else's. Atheists too are capable of committing mass-murders and persecutions of people who have committed no other crime than thinking in a different way.
What I'm trying to say is that your conscience isn't different from anyone else's. Atheists too are capable of committing mass-murders and persecutions of people who have committed no other crime than thinking in a different way.
I would argue that atheists don't start war for the sake of shunning Christians or other religions. At the very least, there is no bible or some code that makes you less of an atheist if you don't tease people of other religions or torture them the same way the bible says to shun non believers and torture them.
Really? That is deep.
17 Nov 2007, 5:30 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Angelus-Mortis wrote:
ion wrote:
I'm fairly sure the bible writers had other things on their mind than obsessing about the shape of the earth.
It's not meant as a geography book.
And I have better things to do than trying to knock down a wall of stubbornness.
It's not meant as a geography book.
And I have better things to do than trying to knock down a wall of stubbornness.
If they did, they shouldn't have mentioned it at all. Unless it was in some way relevant to something else they needed to explain, in which case if it hinges upon the Earth being a flat circle, then they're grossly inaccurate.
The flat earth isn't taught in the Bible, I've already refuted that on another thread. If you must, go search what Christian sites, such as http://www.answersingenesis.org say. As for the verse in Isaiah you are freely quoting the adjective flat does not occur. Circle is חוג "chug" which is a noun coming from the verb meaning "to encircle, encompass, surround" and in the context:
Isaiah 40:22-23 KJV+(Strong's numbers)
(22) It is He that sitteth3427 upon5921 the circle2329 of the earth,776 and the inhabitants3427 thereof are as grasshoppers;2284 that stretcheth out5186 the heavens8064 as a curtain,1852 and spreadeth them out4969 as a tent168 to dwell in:3427
(23) That bringeth5414 the princes7336 to nothing;369 He maketh6213 the judges8199 of the earth776 as vanity.8414
It is actually a reference to God's omnipresence and not to the shape of the earth.
That still doesn't dismiss the ignorance in the bible of the actual shape of the Earth. Metaphors are also completely useless in objective analyses because they are too ambiguous.
Angelus-Mortis wrote:
Dreamer2 wrote:
The atheists are in minority anyway, that they are in minority in prisons too doesn't prove anything. Rolling Eyes
What I'm trying to say is that your conscience isn't different from anyone else's. Atheists too are capable of committing mass-murders and persecutions of people who have committed no other crime than thinking in a different way.
What I'm trying to say is that your conscience isn't different from anyone else's. Atheists too are capable of committing mass-murders and persecutions of people who have committed no other crime than thinking in a different way.
I would argue that atheists don't start war for the sake of shunning Christians or other religions. At the very least, there is no bible or some code that makes you less of an atheist if you don't tease people of other religions or torture them the same way the bible says to shun non believers and torture them.
Really? That is deep.
[/quote]You should read your bible more often. It's in there. Need I quote it again?
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You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10
Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8
Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22
Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19
The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7
Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12
False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10
Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8
Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22
Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19
The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7
Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12
False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9
The fact that there are a ridiculous number of passages that can be quoted about this makes it less probable that these might have been taken out of context. They all pretty much say the same things.
17 Nov 2007, 5:36 pm
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17 Nov 2007, 5:42 pm
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