Islamofascism

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thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard dude, islamic people are extremely smart. they added alot to mathematics, art, literiture, amongst other things. like anything though there can be extremes. wasnt there a couple of "christians" a few years back that made a bomb and deliverd it to abortion clinics? theres extremeists in every dogma, islam is just currently getting the spotlight

But if you had your way, we'd be a theocracy here in the US too. Theocracy is what happens when you mix religion and politics. How would you feel if your laws were passed off, lets say, pagan beliefs?

Emphasis on the last sentence here, you say there are no such thing as christian extremists, but then you tried to justify bombing abortion clinics. Only extremists believe in bombing buildings and killing people to get heard.

They were smart/advanced despite their religion, not because of it. The Muslims who contributed the most were probably heretics or apostates. It seems this is always the case in cultures. The people who contribute the most to social advancement are the ones who question the accepted dogma of the time.

Also, criticizing Islamic beliefs is not racist. The word “Islam” really encapsulates two different things into one word. The first “Islam” is the belief system itself and the second “Islam” is the ethnic/cultural identity of Muslims. I don’t criticize the second Islam, only the first. Islamic culture has many great things, just as Christian culture does.

However, the Islamic religion is barbaric and backwards. If you don’t believe me you need to read the Quran. There are plenty of translations online. It is much worse than the Bible. I can’t even count the number of times that book mentions hell and the fate of the “unbelievers”. Not to mention violence and invectives to kill those who "oppose" Islam.

That's not true, you're using the term "probably" implying that you have no idea about what you said. Some muslim scholars at that time is devoted muslim. As the matter fact, it was Quran that was inspiring them to learn and to find. That's because what Quran says that every muslim should "think" and to be curious about the secrets beyond His creations.

The most notable scholars such as Al-Khawarizmi, Al-Kindi, Ibnu Sina (Avicenna), Ibnu Rushd and Nasr Al-Farabi is also known as sufi.

Ah, yes, let us all read the Qu'ran shall we? Let us go to where it says There is NO compulsion in religion. Meaning you are not compelled to believe what you do not believe and that you cannot be forced to believe what you cannot believe. In fact, the Qu'ran accepts other people's Prophets as inspired by Him. So who will you believe? The Qu'ran or the actions of its followers?


The actions of the shaikh, of the khailif, of the 'Amirat holds no relevance to Islam just as the Papal bull which ordered the Inquisition holds no relevance to Christianity. Whatever Muhammad did after the Qu'ran is unimportant, and if you pay attention most of the actions of the Muslimin are based on Hadiths/Sunnah or oral tradititions of the Prophet. There is no "stoning to death" in the Qu'ran.


If you try to remove the historical factor/relations of the qu'ran and put them in modern times, ofcourse you will see it as barbaric, just as many view the bible to be barbaric, or vedas as barbaric. Also, you rely on translations. Why would you trust translations knowing that many may have a hidden agenda ( Like a madrasa run by an extremist)?





Ingenue, Muhammad Nasr al-Farabi was a Shia, heretical but still respected because of his advanced knowledge and contribution. In fact, many Baghdad universities had heretic scholars (Neo-Platonic Christians, Non Sunnis). It all remained in tact until the Mongols.


Also don't forget about Averroes.

HAHAHA, Pastor Hagee is a badass, like Pat Robertson!

well i guess since christianity cleaned up its act in the modern era all is forgiven right? the bible is just as bloody as the koran and most islamic people i think you will find are not extremists or terrorist, and arent out to kill you if you dont believe their dogma, i think you've been watching the news too much dude, and frankly if we would just get out of their land and stop trying to shove democracy on them i dont think you'd even see the violent factions of their religion behaving this way

I find Islamic jurisprudence a bit sketchy, imo. Western-style laws should be in place. Either way, with or without the US in their lands they'll still have violence. It is the way society is set up there. Also, many of the Arabic gulf states need America in their homelands. Oh, and Islamic countries do have democracy, just not western democracy. Western democracy isn't even democracy anymore.

well yes some of there laws are strict but i guess thats how they like it, personally i'd think christians would be the same way if they could get away with christianity running the government. thank god for seperation of church and state

Or what's left of it.

Which is everything.

(except in the case of Islam is concerned. This is why Steven Coughlin was fired for refusing to be a good little grovelling dhimmi like the entire democratic party and all the self-loathing and America-loathing white liberals)

I never said they were atheists. However, I am quite confident that the Muslim intellectuals didn't take the Quran literally. Today’s Muslim fundamentalists would consider them heretics or apostates.

Lets see, tax dollars being used to strengthen the grip of the church, ban on gay marriage, picketers closing down businesses that do not cow-toe to their religious ideology, abortion (I'm open to either side on abortion, what I'm not ok with is that religion is the base line factor in the right making their stance on it),
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/7416.html

Hmmm.... the fury expressed when the 10 commandments were taken off the court grounds, as they fight to make the statement "this is a christian nation, everyone else are guests". How many bars, strip clubs, will be attacked by frothing religious fanatics? How many animes, video games, art, music, and television programs will they find to "be promoting the homosexual agenda"?
Dude, it couldn't be more obvious if they came right out and admitted it, but seeing as your a tool you'd probably ignore them if they did admit it, so you can carry on in your illusion that everything is just peachy.

(ps- this is reply to McJeff, but someone else posted in between you and I, had I known that was gonna happen I would have quoted you).

I'm not defending Christianity at all. Both are barbaric.

However, take 50 random quotes from the Quran and then take 50 random quotes from the Bible. You will see that one talks about god punishing the "disbelievers" more than the other. When quoting the Quran, Muslims only ever choose the most benign passages such as “there is no compulsion in religion”. This is a dishonest tactic.

Also, I never advocated “shoving democracy” on anyone. That isn’t even what the US is doing. Far from it, the US usually supports anti-democratic governments over democratic ones in the Middle East. Calling the US propped Iraqi government “democratic” is a joke. Iraq has become a failed state.

Que?



Fine, I'll give you that one.



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Yes, the religious object to abortion, but they're not the only ones, characterizing the anti-abortion spectrum as religious is intellectually dishonest.



Your link is pathetic. No sources, no names, no explanations, and lines like "The Taliban wing of the party".



Funny, I always thought of you as the tool, convinced of bizarre, tin-foil-hat conspiracies, aliens and nWo stuff (including this Christian Theoracy stuff), who's only defense was "OMG IT'S OBVIOUS" and a policy of ignoring all the facts and logic that fly in the face of such tinfoilhattery.

Take out the "violent" part and I'm afraid you have a significant part of our problem with militant Islam.

There was some news article about a 12 year old in Pakistan who could recite 2 hours worth of material from the Quaran, but could barely read and write, and didn't yet know multiplication or division. A lot of the people in these countries are illiterate and cannot for themselves read the Quran and come to their own conclusions about their religion. And yes, they're violent, because their leaders tell them to be violent and kill kuffar because that's what Muhammad commanded.

Now I'm sorry that I'm going against your firm-held belief that the leaders of Islam don't actually believe these things and it's just a few weirdos combined with fear-mongering from the US gov't, but I'd make a bet.

For every 1 muslim religious authority who speaks out against Sharia law, I can find you 10 that speak in favor of it.