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11 May 2008, 2:27 pm

Haha, I don't like Mormonism for many reasons including the ones you have articulated there. In fact I don't like most all monotheistic religion on Earth for the same reasons - whacked fairy tales and ridiculous dogma, the lot of them.



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11 May 2008, 3:40 pm

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You do make a good point. Where I was coming from is the fact that the LDS church is the one Joseph Smith formed, and when the polygamists were excommunicated at the command of the church president, they were just like "screw you" and formed the FLDS church. So really, the LDS church is descended from the same, whereas the FLDS church broke off and formed their own.

Kind of like a royal bloodline I suppose. When a prince disowns his royal family to go join another faction for example, he is considered no longer a part of the royal bloodline, even though he technically has royal blood. Then that prince has children and mingles with this other blood, while the true bloodline stays strong. That's how Mormons see themselves anyway I think.


Interesting. I can see your point if indeed the FLDS were excommunicated before deciding to schism (rather than the other way around). Nonetheless, I still reject the notion that one church can be labeled "the original" simply because I don't believe in ideal Platonic forms of a religion any more than I believe in such forms of a language or a species. Germans and Amish people speak differently, but neither can say more than the other which one is speaking "real German" because both languages have evolved since they diverged.

I suppose if "the church" is taken only to be defined by its leadership rather than simply its beliefs, then LDS has a stronger claim to being "the original" than FLDS. If it's defined by similarity of its beliefs to that at the time of Joseph Smith, I'm not sure which it would be (I can bet what each one of them would say). And if its defined by where it's beliefs come from, I think they have about the same level of legitimacy in claiming to be founded by Joseph Smith.



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11 May 2008, 7:20 pm

Legato wrote:
Haha, I don't like Mormonism for many reasons including the ones you have articulated there. In fact I don't like most all monotheistic religion on Earth for the same reasons - whacked fairy tales and ridiculous dogma, the lot of them.


You're not very open-minded, are you?

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11 May 2008, 7:32 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Legato wrote:
Haha, I don't like Mormonism for many reasons including the ones you have articulated there. In fact I don't like most all monotheistic religion on Earth for the same reasons - whacked fairy tales and ridiculous dogma, the lot of them.


You're not very open-minded, are you?

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i think it takes more open-mindedness to reject the idea of monotheism in a world and within society where such a thing is the norm and you face various levels of persecution for it.



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11 May 2008, 8:00 pm

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You're not very open-minded, are you?

:roll:


On the contrary my man, my dislike of monotheism (like what 3 religions?) came of years of soul-searching and philosophical openness. If I were to articulate my current philosophical beliefs, you'd see I'm quite open-minded.

I've just rejected the religion I was brought into, and those that go alongside it (christianity, judaism, islam).



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11 May 2008, 9:18 pm

Why have you rejected those religions?

What are your current philosophical beliefs?



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11 May 2008, 10:34 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Why have you rejected those religions?

What are your current philosophical beliefs?


This thread isn't about me, it's about Mormons :P

I'll PM you the details.