'Fascism, Anyone?' article points out some scary signs!! !

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22 Oct 2005, 9:34 pm

That's what our new pricipal is trying to turn our school into. Give her ten years and a few better ploicies and she'll succeed.


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23 Oct 2005, 3:58 pm

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Today I came across an article called 'Fascism, Anyone?' by Laurence W. Britt. Britt studied several fascist governments. He studied Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, Salazar's Portugal, Papadopoulos's Greece, Pinochet's Chile, Suharto's Indonesia. He noted fourteen common characteristics in each political climate prior to becoming a completely fascist state.


It's fine to oppose the war in Iraq, but the depths to which the left-wing media will stoop are ridiculous. That Lawrence Britt "study" is a good example: an oversimplification of history, and a desperate attempt to apply it to the present day.

I bet one could find dozens of articles out there along similar lines, i.e., "garble garble garble ... Hitler .... garble garble ... Nazis ... garble garble garble ... conclusion: and that's a bit like America / George Bush / the 'neocons'"

Talk of "scapegoating" terrorists is ridiculous.
The bit about the controlled mass media and the suppression of "intellectuals" is equally so.

As the foxhunt blog puts it:

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From http://foxhunt.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_ ... chive.html

far from "never stray[ing] from the party line," many big-media outlets criticize George W. Bush frequently, often gratuitously — mocking his stutter, for example.

has Britt considered that "disdain...of intellectuals and the arts" is often justified? So far, intellectuals' response to the September 11th attacks alone have included:

* Norman Mailer comparing the Twin Towers to "two huge buck teeth" and declaring their ruins "more beautiful" than the buildings themselves.

* New Jersey’s poet laureate, Amiri Baraka, asking in his poem "Somebody Blew Up America": "Who knew the World Trade Center was gonna get bombed/Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers/To stay home that day/Why did Sharon stay away?"

* Alice Walker enthusing over Osama bin Laden's "cool armor" and "all the good, nonviolent things he [has] done."

However, pace Britt, none of these people have been "suppressed." Their books are available from nearly all general book retailers, including online ones like Amazon.com, and from a variety of specialty bookstores, both online and “brick-and-mortar,” as the current expression goes. Often these books are assigned reading for college students. The authors appear on television and speak on radio. Many also have their own websites. I have yet to hear that the secret police have broken down any of their doors and dragged them away into the night, never to be heard from again.



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23 Oct 2005, 4:40 pm

Klytus wrote:
Talk of "scapegoating" terrorists is ridiculous.
The bit about the controlled mass media and the suppression of "intellectuals" is equally so.


Intellectuals aren't being suppressed, but intellectualism -is- dying a slow and painful death by multiple hands.
As for terrorism, no, they're not being 'scapegoated', since they do commit heinous crimes in the name of their beliefs, but we have to acknowledge that they are only -part- of society's problems.



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23 Oct 2005, 4:54 pm

I don't think anyone would seriously suggest that terrorists are doing a good job. I do think more and more people have serious concerns about the way things are going. There is no need to suppress intelectualls, all you have to do is sideline them, you don't need to stop people from criticising GW, all you need to do is make it cosmetic like talking about his stutter.
The corruption cases going through the courts, the sacking of Bunnatine Greenhouse, the sacking of numerous inconvenirnt scientists, the increasing parts of the American economy that are under Command rather than competitive control, the dismantling of large parts of the
Constitution, the total disregard for basic civil liberty, the staffing of various departments with "people I know I can rely on" aka cronies rather than qualified personell and on and on and on. You see no problem, or, cause for concern?



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23 Oct 2005, 5:21 pm

America, the land of terrorists.
What do you call dropping bombs on peoples heads, and killing innocent civilians.
I call it terrorism.



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24 Oct 2005, 3:49 am

terrorists, revolutionaries, religious soldiers, counter-revolutionaries, righteous war, governmental fief...

depends on where one is standing,

no, i don't support terrorism, of any flavour, by the way. i agree with irishmic, though - "it's okay if we do it, but not okay if you do it" has never been something i adhere to.



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24 Oct 2005, 5:50 am

It's distinctly unfashionable, but anyone watching the debacle of aid in the Guatemalan highlands after the mudslides can catch a glimpse of the result of government terrorism. The indigenous people who live there declined all help from the trrops sent in. Following the odd few decades when they appeared only to wipe out villages, the local people had a total lack of trust and sent them away, preferring to dig out their kin with their hands. The civil war was the result of CIA operations in the 50's/60's.
In the UK, here are a couple of links that give an idea of the honourable manner of UK operations and a letter from the Irish on Iraq.

http://www.serve.com/pfc/dubmon/020422st.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/nort ... 412191.stm

http://www.trocaire.org/newsandinformat ... iniraq.htm

And a word from someone thinking of peace.
http://www.rense.com/general68/warus.htm



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24 Oct 2005, 10:11 am

Warfare and terrorism are two seperate things. I agree that warfare is sometimes hideous, but it is also neccessary in the world we live in.



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24 Oct 2005, 10:56 am

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24 Oct 2005, 12:15 pm

IMHO the terms war and terrorism are archaic. If you take a dictionary definition of war as a conflict between nations/governments then civil war ceases to exist and you have an internal disagreement. War on terrorism is a physical impossibilty, since there is no nation/government to wage war against, etc,etc. Terrorism is a far more comprehensive term.



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24 Oct 2005, 12:33 pm

The insurgency is doing a good job in Iraq, and I take my hat off to them. The sooner the scumbag Americans are out the better.

Come on Sean, arrest me if you can.......



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24 Oct 2005, 1:39 pm

sean can't arrest you, robert.

however, I can ask you to refrain both from unprovoked baiting of another member, and from celebrating the atrocities committed by the insurgents, whose violence is affecting both soldiers and civilians. let's just remember that Al-Qaeda are the most successful insurgent group in iraq at the moment, shall we?

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24 Oct 2005, 4:09 pm

Contrary to popular belief, the majority of insurgents in Iraq are simply ordinary Iraqis who despise the American presence in their country. They want the US and the UK out, and rightly so. Just think, all those guys that have been tortured in Abu Graihb - their friends and relatives feel angry and want revenge. So they get whatever weapons they can, and start rioting against the soldiers.

What I said in my earlier post was directly violating the Patriot Act in the US, by "glorifying" terrorism. Sean threatened me and Eamonn a couple of weeks ago that if we continued saying anti-US stuff, the FBI would come round and arrest us, even though we are not US citizens. I just want to see if his muscle is as big as his mouth!! !! !



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24 Oct 2005, 5:36 pm

RobertN wrote:
What I said in my earlier post was directly violating the Patriot Act in the US, by "glorifying" terrorism. Sean threatened me and Eamonn a couple of weeks ago that if we continued saying anti-US stuff, the FBI would come round and arrest us, even though we are not US citizens. I just want to see if his muscle is as big as his mouth!! !! !

Do you have a link to that?



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24 Oct 2005, 7:30 pm

Robert,

Do you have evidence that Sean and Eamonn said that. If so, please present it. If you do not have evidence, please refrain from baiting other users.

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