Liberating Jesus from Christianity

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Liberating the character Jesus from christianity does not cause the bible to implode.

Last edited by ouinon on 28 May 2008, 11:53 am, edited 2 times in total.

But he also said that we were his sister's and brothers , making us the son's and daughters of god as well.

I don't think this guy was talking about Liberating Jesus from Christianity. He actually was talking about bringing back Jesus original teaching's. Jesus didn't make Christianity as an organized religion He maid it as a path to follow, A way of being able to be like he was ( making magic and what not ). He also was trying to teach the people there what god really was . He was telling them that he was the son of god and we were to , we were also his brothers and sisters, and we all were god's children.

This is where the holy ghost comes into the picture , he said that god lived within him and also within us , the holy ghost, god manifest in us.

I think that Jesus was not god, he was a man just like all of us and he knew something and tried to teach people around him.

Over time this has been lost or buried sometimes both and we don't really know what he was talking about anymore, so we need to go back to the basics , we need to go back to Jesus's teachings .
That was my take on the video.

I read something similar in Time a few months ago. In it they talked about people who studied Jesus and his ideas in relation to Judaism. I think just-me ^ sums up the argument pretty well.

Jesus never founded Christianity as the dogmatic religion it is. Never told anyone to go to church every sunday. He's teachings have pretty much been misunderstood. It was the Romans who began making it into another another robotic outer religion, and created the church.
And the scriptures and the original messages has largely been changed or edited.
For instance there are alot of examples that Jesus taught reincarnation. I don't get how people can trust a 2000 year book, is as correct as the day it was written.

And you are some kind of bible authority, starchild? Since when? By a show of hands, who here knows the orignal teachings of Jesus?

Obviously the church was not developed in its present state by Christ himself/ Obviously.

lol I never said to be an authority, but I like to do some research before blindly trusting what I am presented with, including religion. I do believe some things in the bible are preserved, there are a few hint's of reincarnation, but other than that, this concept is largely ignored in christianity.
People can bellieve what they want to believe. To each their own.

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What would be the big gain in trying to bring back the Gnostic teachings anyway? Maybe they were left out for a reason.

Perhaps bechause they're not too fond of Jesus Christ, and that it would mean people would start thinking outside of the box.

Last edited by starchild on 28 May 2008, 8:26 am, edited 1 time in total.

If they're not too fond of Jesus Christ, they're not Christians. Muslims, maybe, but noit Christians.

well said.

They're still around and many people find them to be quite illuminating.

Christianity is a particular perspective on a figure (historical or otherwise) which makes particular claims about what that person said and did and relies on a particular set of beliefs, without which Christianity ceases to make sense.

There were many ideas about who Jesus was and what his teachings were and what they meant circa the first century CE. The current version of Christianity arose due to a variety of complex circumstances and quite a lot of political maneuvering; the fact that orthodox Christianity became the dominant form of Christianity doesn't make it 'right' and doesn't lend it any special credibility.

However, the argument that Jesus cannot exist outside of Christianity doesn't seem to hold much weight in the light of history.

With that i also mean the box set up by Christianity, yes.

She is an interesting phenomenon to watch.

Last edited by Ragtime on 28 May 2008, 9:43 am, edited 1 time in total.

Yes, I caught that. In Isaiah 45:2, God says, "I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight."
That's what I'm doing here. If someone wants to spout mangled truth,
I'll straighten it out into its correct form to the best of my ability.
In that way, lying and deceptive posts will not go to waste.

(Isaiah 40:4, 42:16, and Luke 3:5 also cite God doing this.)

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His followers are sons and daughters of God, but we're not "the Christ, the Son...".
And John 3:16 makes clear that Jesus is God's "ONLY begotten Son".

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