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30 May 2008, 1:46 pm

It's interesting to note the progression of science and scientific theories. In one century, it's sound. In another, it's quackery. Was the medieval practise of trepanning more religious than it was scientific?



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30 May 2008, 1:54 pm

It's interesting to note that religions never suffer from quackery because the ideas are never permitted to be thoroughly analyzed for reasonable good sense. They are frozen into absolute dictums and therefore never suffer the embarrassment of being revealed as total nonsense. Science, on the other hand is continually being analyzed in the light of new knowledge and when ideas do not fit they are unceremoniously discarded. That's how progress is made.



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30 May 2008, 2:22 pm

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For years phlogiston was accepted as real and spacial ether also until it became obvious through better thinking that these were mere theoretical artifacts.


Um, Okaaaaaaaaay, so than WHAT is the vacuum of outspace comprised of? You DO realize it has zero-point energy dont you?



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30 May 2008, 2:31 pm

Yes but this is probably not the right place to share it.

It was coincidentally right after my grandmother's funeral.


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30 May 2008, 3:37 pm

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Yes but this is probably not the right place to share it.

It was coincidentally right after my grandmother's funeral.


Oooooh, interesting 8O . Are you willing to share it with us? Im eager to hear about it :wink:



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30 May 2008, 4:17 pm

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It's interesting to note that religions never suffer from quackery because the ideas are never permitted to be thoroughly analyzed for reasonable good sense. They are frozen into absolute dictums and therefore never suffer the embarrassment of being revealed as total nonsense. Science, on the other hand is continually being analyzed in the light of new knowledge and when ideas do not fit they are unceremoniously discarded. That's how progress is made.


Science has had its fair share of total nonsense. It certainly isn't infallible.



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31 May 2008, 12:23 am

Of course science has had its failings. But it examines its failings and corrects them where ever it can. That's the point of science. If you don't understand that you are totally at sea in understanding science.



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31 May 2008, 1:55 am

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Of course science has had its failings. But it examines its failings and corrects them where ever it can. That's the point of science. If you don't understand that you are totally at sea in understanding science.


And I seriously call into question as to whether or not Ghosts, Spirits, and The Soul(in particular) are unscientific. I see them as being largely ignored and unprobed by science.



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31 May 2008, 2:24 am

I have read of scientific examinations of paranormal phenomena and the results are all totally negative. The bulk of instances have proved to be scams.



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31 May 2008, 11:39 am

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I never claimed the universe was simple. Merely that it was not simple minded. Whatever appeared to be ghosts might well be something else like time travelers from parallel universes or controlled projections of deluded minds (which, of course, appear quite real to the deluded). What always puzzles me about ghosts is how they penetrate walls but never fall through the floor. Perhaps some super joker is having fun with holograms. Who knows? But I cannot take seriously any phenomenon that is not reproduceable.


I heard arguments from BOTH sides of the issue of ghosts and I have to say, neither side has managed to convince me 100% but Im DETERMINED to one day find out the Truth about this matter.........:skull:



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31 May 2008, 12:01 pm

Good for you! I wish you all the luck in the world and advise you to stay in close communication with Stephen King.



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31 May 2008, 1:28 pm

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Good for you! I wish you all the luck in the world and advise you to stay in close communication with Stephen King.



Nice try b***h. Since when are You a scientist, eh? You honestly sound more like smartass punk who doesnt seem to care much about actual Truth, let alone know what Truth is. :wink:

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But I cannot take seriously any phenomenon that is not reproduceable.


Including the Valentines Day Monopole? :P



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31 May 2008, 1:41 pm

Hey man, I'm not a b***h, I'm a bastard or a son of a b***h, whatever you might prefer. And what am I supposed to be trying? People have been ghost hunting for centuries with no concrete results. I just wished you good luck and you suddenly realized you don't have a ghost of a chance and so you're pissed off. Not my problem.



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31 May 2008, 1:45 pm

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Hey man, I'm not a b***h, I'm a bastard or a son of a b***h, whatever you might prefer. And what am I supposed to be trying? People have been ghost hunting for centuries with no concrete results. I just wished you good luck and you suddenly realized you don't have a ghost of a chance and so you're pissed off. Not my problem.


:lmao:

I dont think so Sand. Im making No definitive claims whatseover about the existance or lack of existance about Ghost are YOU ARE!, though not explicitly. Bear in mind that if Ghost absoultely do NOt and/or Cannot exist YOU must explain why. Negation claims require evidence too :wink: .



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31 May 2008, 2:00 pm

I realize you don't think, so your conviction about ghosts is rather tenuous at best. Instead of a vague undefined name why don't you get specific as to what phenomena you intend to pursue? Is it the spirit of someone dead or a spooky extra dimensional invader or a projection of someone's mind visible to everybody else or just what?
Spirits of dead people are pretty well debunked these days so it might be something else.
I don't have to be a scientist to be able to think clearly. I gather from your input that you have little or no scientific training but I might be wrong. Lots of scientists have very peculiar ideas but they pursue them with rigorous analysis and experimentation. I would be delighted if you could demonstrate to the world that ghosts are real phenomena and you could introduce one to a scientific audience. I'm not holding my breath.



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31 May 2008, 2:03 pm

Can't prove a negative, Sand.

With all that hot air, you sidestepped the question.