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HarryofSheringham
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16 Nov 2005, 5:29 pm

Klytus you complain that this xenophobic party doesnt exist. Of course it does. Why not toddle down to your local 'National Front Disco'. There you can meet some people in a party called the BNP. And long may our unfair electoral system ensure you waste your vote.

ps. I hate to point this out put the concept of a 'new' right-wing party is absurd, because every right-wing party is just a re-hash of old xenophobix, rightwing ideas.



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16 Nov 2005, 5:36 pm

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ps. I hate to point this out put the concept of a 'new' right-wing party is absurd, because every right-wing party is just a re-hash of old xenophobix, rightwing ideas.


That's if you believe the old "right wing = bad, left wing = good" cliche.
Take Pim Fortuyn, the late Dutch politician.
He saw the influx of Muslims into the Netherlands as a threat to the liberal values of Dutch society. He was a gay, dope-smoking libertarian, but because he was (falsely) believed to be racist, he was automatically considered "right wing".



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16 Nov 2005, 5:49 pm

Pim Fortuyn may have been a "gay, dope-smoking libertarian" but im sure his proposed 'solutions' to Holland's immigration problems would be almost exactly the same as Enoch Powell's or even Oswald Mosley's.



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16 Nov 2005, 5:52 pm

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Its really awful isn't it that we middle-class whites have to foot the bill when these horrible sub-human life forms known as Muslims get frustrated with our endemic racism and decide to rampage against our conservative institution.


Our endemic racism? I thought that in this instance it was "supposed" to be mainstream France that was to blame for the riots, or by "us" do you mean the white race?
How about blaming the rioters themselves?
It's amazing. Muslims kill 3,000 innocent people in New York and people blame American foreign policy. A Muslim muders a film director in the Netherlands and people blame Dutch cultural insensitivity. Muslims maraud through the streets of France torching churches and synagogues while shouting "Allahu aqbar" and people blame French racism.

Here's an article from two years ago that might shed some light on the troubles with Muslims in France:

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France's Wake-Up Call
By Olivier Guitta
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 23, 2003

The French Muslim community’ estimated at anywhere between five and eight million people ‘ is totally indoctrinated and controlled by extremist organizations such as UOIF (Union des Organizations Islamiques de France), which is affiliated to the Muslim Brotherhood, a notorious Islamist terrorist group founded in Egypt in 1927.

This extremist indoctrination also extends to French schools, where non-Muslim teachers are subject to daily insults and racist remarks. For instance, the principal of the Trappes’ primary school described how, "An 11-year-old kid insulted his female teacher because she was not wearing the hijab. Intolerant behaviors especially against teachers and other religions have skyrocketed in the past three years." These young children are taught from the time they can walk that Islam is the answer to everything the Ultimate Truth and that is why even six-year-olds are now fasting during Ramadan.

Therefore, is not surprising that ten-year olds call for the institution of Shariah, or Koranic law, during class. Or that during a high school History lesson regarding the Crusades, a Muslim student yelled: "Anyway, the Arabs are going to kill the Christians and the Jews." The teacher then asked him, "When?" and the child replied, "I do not know. It was not mentioned on the imam’s tape." Or that on a course on the Holocaust, Muslim children demanded to be let go to ask their imams if what they were being taught was true.

But school is not the only place in France where militant Islam is omnipresent. For example, in Avignon, Muslim extremists distribute loads of Koranic tapes in French and drive around town with their windows open and propaganda blasting through the speakers. In French hospitals, most Muslim women, sometimes under the family’s pressure, refuse to be examined by male doctors and many Muslim men by female doctors. Many Muslim defendants refuse to be tried by Jewish judges, and some municipal pools have different hours for women and men to accommodate the Muslim population. A number of supermarkets carrying non-Halaal products (food not permitted by the Koran), have been vandalized by Muslims and then surrendered to this violent blackmail by taking the products off their shelves. This is what France has become.

Islamists have the clear goal of transforming France into the first Islamist regime of the West. Their master plan is clearly formulated and being implemented every day. And it is not a coincidence that the biggest wave of violent anti-Semitism in Europe is occurring in France, triggered by Muslims. This may only be a taste of things to come; the next victims could be French Christians and then moderate Muslims.



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16 Nov 2005, 6:03 pm

It's amazing. Muslims kill 3,000 innocent people in New York and people blame American foreign policy. I mean, we do go around the world killing Muslims in their own countries and sticking our noses into things that don't concern us, but that is really immaterial. What matters is white middle-class Americans and we must do everything we can to protect them, since their greed and arrogance is something we aspire to and respect. We don't care how many Muslims or n****rs die in the process, do we Klytus, since they are all sub-human mud. The white race is what really counts, and we must exterminate (or at least make life very difficult for) the impure elements of our society.



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16 Nov 2005, 6:14 pm

RobertN wrote:
It's amazing. Muslims kill 3,000 innocent people in New York and people blame American foreign policy. I mean, we do go around the world killing Muslims in their own countries and sticking our noses into things that don't concern us, but that is really immaterial. What matters is white middle-class Americans and we must do everything we can to protect them, since their greed and arrogance is something we aspire to and respect. We don't care how many Muslims or n****rs die in the process, do we Klytus, since they are all sub-human mud. The white race is what really counts, and we must exterminate (or at least make life very difficult for) the impure elements of our society.


What a brilliant parody of my writing that was. Is this format going to be the basis of all your future posts?
Can you actually give an example of Americans "killing Muslims in their own countries" before 9/11? Would you count saving Kuwait from the invasion of Iraq in that? What about when American troops sided with Muslims in conflicts in Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia?
You know what really got Osama's goat? The fact that the Saudis asked American troops to help defend them from Iraq. Can't have those infidels desecrating holy land with their presence, can we?
I'm sure you have your own theories behind the motivation for 9/11. And since you want to believe the very worst about America, I wouldn't be surprised if you thought 9/11 was justified.



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17 Nov 2005, 3:16 am

HarryofSheringham wrote:
Klytus you complain that this xenophobic party doesnt exist. Of course it does. Why not toddle down to your local 'National Front Disco'. There you can meet some people in a party called the BNP. And long may our unfair electoral system ensure you waste your vote.

ps. I hate to point this out put the concept of a 'new' right-wing party is absurd, because every right-wing party is just a re-hash of old xenophobix, rightwing ideas.

Yes, the BNP have got some damn fine policies, HarryofSherringham; nearly voted for them last time around. But, I'm aware that there is possibly still a slightly unsavoury undercurrent running through the organisation. There again, look at New Labour!

We need something to the right of the Tories, but without some of the more extreme BNP policies. Actually, if enough right-minded British people joined that organisation it might morph into that, who knows?

I'd go along with Klytus on telling the EU where to go, then repeal all race legislation so that every British citizen was equal in the eyes of the law.



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19 Nov 2005, 3:36 pm

Clearly you people dont do sarcasm.



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21 Nov 2005, 4:41 am

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Perhaps that is because you are a rich American who has never had a day's hardship in her life. :evil:


Accually not. I am an American. But I am not, by any means rich. Im not even middle class. I guess Id be on that line between poverty and lower class if you are looking at money I bring in. I KNOW hardship. I know about not having the things I need, much less what I want. I, personally, want to keep all the things I have to work so hard to have. I suppose the difference is I got a lowpaying job, got an education (which has done me no good at all), and decided not to whine about what I have or have not got.

As far as what the rioters distroyed, they should have to participate in rebuilding what they messed up. That goes for rioters of ALL backgrounds, and in all Nations. If they had to "fix" what they torched, they'd perhaps think again the next time.



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21 Nov 2005, 8:03 pm

Its very worrying - there's just no end in sight to these French riots - they just seem to go on and on and oh-ee-oh-ee-on..... :cry:


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21 Nov 2005, 10:34 pm

This entire thing reminds me of the FLQ crisis in Canada.

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What are the gun laws like in France? Will most of the law abiding citizens be able to defend themselves?


Remember what Trudeau did?
He brought in the war measures act.

The citizens don't need guns they need protection from harm.
In the case of War Measures that means lots people with guns who know how to use them.

http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/readings/warmeas.htm
http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/readings/october.htm
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-71-101/conflict_war/october_crisis/


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22 Nov 2005, 9:24 am

As far as what the corporations have distroyed, they should have to participate in rebuilding what they messed up. That goes for corporations of ALL varieties, and in all Nations. If they had to "fix" the lives they have messed up, they'd perhaps think again the next time.

Its funny how only the little guys are criminals isn't it? :roll:

Why don't we start picking on the big guys that charge us high prices, evade taxes, fire their employees, export our jobs, cut our benefits, take over our hospitals and schools and turn them into a business.

We lose Billions in the UK alone to corporate fraud, and that is just in economic terms. What about all the ruined lives (miner's strike?) and environmental pollution, and we still see these guys as heros when all they are is very clever criminals exploiting the system.



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24 Nov 2005, 12:36 am

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As far as what the corporations have distroyed, they should have to participate in rebuilding what they messed up. That goes for corporations of ALL varieties, and in all Nations. If they had to "fix" the lives they have messed up, they'd perhaps think again the next time.

Its funny how only the little guys are criminals isn't it? :roll:

Why don't we start picking on the big guys that charge us high prices, evade taxes, fire their employees, export our jobs, cut our benefits, take over our hospitals and schools and turn them into a business.

We lose Billions in the UK alone to corporate fraud, and that is just in economic terms. What about all the ruined lives (miner's strike?) and environmental pollution, and we still see these guys as heros when all they are is very clever criminals exploiting the system.

Accually RobertN, taking out the BIG guys isnt out of the question either. And yes, when a HUGE company like WAL-Mart swoops in and ruins a small town they ought to have to be held accountable. I use Wal-mart as an example because they are notorious in the US for opening up shop in a small area, selling below cost until the local shops are closed down, and then jacking the prices up. Not to meantion the extortionist tactics they use with their suppliers.... *sigh*. Then there is the fact that the "many jobs" they bring into an area are LOW Paying and in that area welfare applicants increase too. That is a stastical fact. Funny, some areas put out these wonderful tax breaks for companies like that to move in (where as others try to block them)..... I digress.... I support capitalism, but I also understand the disadvantages it can have when a system becomes corrupt....



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15 Dec 2005, 6:14 pm

I see there are riots going on in Australia as well.

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FrontPageMagazine.com | December 15, 2005

In Australia this week amidst anger over an Islamic man’s rape conviction and the bashing of two Aussie life savers, working-class locals erupted in a rampage of anger and brawling in some of the worst racial riots in decades. But there is more to the story than is being repeated in the American mainstream media....

Four days after he set foot in Australia, the rape spree began. And during his sexual assault trial in a New South Wales courtroom, the Pakistani man began to berate one of his tearful 14-year-old victims because she had the temerity to shake her head at his testimony.

But she had every reason to express her disgust. After taking an oath on the Qur’an, the man – known only as MSK – told the court he had committed four attacks on girls as young as 13 because they had no right to say “no.” They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf, and therefore, the rapist proclaimed: “I’m not doing anything wrong.”

MSK is already serving a 22-year jail term for leading his three younger brothers in a gang rape of two other young Sydney girls in 2002. In his own defence, he argued that his cultural background, was responsible for his crimes.

And he is right.

In some parts of Pakistan, sexual assault – including gang rape – is officially sanctified as a legitimate form of enforcing the social value system.

One village council recently ordered that five young girls should be “abducted, raped or murdered” for refusing to be treated as chattel. The girls were aged between six and thirteen when they were married without their knowledge, to pay a family debt.

And when Mukhtar Mai’s 12-year-old brother was alleged to have committed an offence in a small Pakistani farming village, the village council ordered that his sister be gang-raped. So, she was taken to a hut where four men repeatedly assaulted her.

According to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan there were 804 cases of such officially orchestrated sexual assault in 2000, and 434 of these were gang rapes. And if that isn’t bad enough, the victims of these atrocities are then expected to commit suicide because rape victims bring irreparable shame upon their family.

So as MSK committed his acts of rape while visiting Australia, he was simply perpetuating his own cultural heritage. He hails from a society where officially sanctioned sexual violence is commonly employed as a means to enforce the subservience of women.

And this is where two fundamental tenets of the modern Left clash: the irresistible force of cultural relativism collides with the immovable object of gender equality. But in the 21st century it is the latter that must prevail.

The laissez faire attitudes of cultural relativism are unacceptable in modern society. Female genital mutilation is not some quaint tribal custom that we are bound to respect: it is barbarism, pure and simple.

Yet many Western leftists habitually excuse these crimes against women in order to maintain political solidarity with their allies in the Islamic world. After all, it would be tough to make common cause with Muslim groups in the antiwar movement if Progressives began to criticize the practice of polygamy.

But along with Islamic immigration to the West have come Third World value systems regarding the treatment of women. We must not be seduced by the false tenets of cultural relativism into a toleration of forced marriages, officially sanctioned rape, and honour killings.

Australia’s unique brand of multiculturalism confers both rights and obligations: while cultural and linguistic diversity are to be cherished, every Australian must subscribe to a single standard of human rights. Australians must forcefully repudiate the corruption of the multicultural idea that would condone crimes against women and support jihadism.

The dangers of cultural relativism became evident Down Under last weekend when long-festering ethnic tensions erupted into violence at Cronulla Beach near Sydney. The trouble began when a group of Middle Eastern men were assaulted by mobs of angry locals. The local Member of Parliament, Bruce Baird MP, claimed the public outcry was revenge for the Bali bombings and September 11.

But Baird also explained that a series of high profile rapes in the area had spurred locals on and that a group of Middle Eastern men had attacked two Aussie lifesavers the previous weekend. Locals claimed to the media after the riots that they were sick of Lebanese Muslim gangs calling their daughters and wives names, and throwing cigarette butts at them.

Then neo-Nazis showed up in a transparent attempt to exploit local ethnic tensions for their own benefit. But mainstream Australians expressed their frustration with both the violence inflicted by Middle Eastern men, and the equally violent effort by white racists to exploit it.

While rejecting the tenets of neo-Nazism, working-class Aussies who live near Cronulla Beach were saying they’ve had enough of this culturally motivated crime wave in a wave of violence that is also unacceptable. The race riots in suburban Sydney represented a clash between two polar opposites of white supremacy and Islamic male supremacy. But the average Australian seeks a midpoint between these equally vile extremes in which fairness and a single standard of law will apply to all.



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15 Dec 2005, 6:32 pm

That article seems very biased. From what I've read, Muslim youths all over the area have been savagely attacked by drunk white yobs. 5,000 of them alone descended on one beach and caused absolute anarchy.



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15 Dec 2005, 6:36 pm

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SYDNEY, Australia — About 5,000 white men, many of them drunk, targeted people believed to be of Arab or Middle Eastern descent on Cronulla Beach on Sunday after rumors spread that Lebanese youths had assaulted two lifeguards.

Police, who had stepped up patrols on the beach after learning of cellphone text messages urging people to retaliate for the attack on the lifeguards, tried to control the mob with batons and pepper spray.

Young men of Arab descent struck back in several Sydney suburbs Sunday, fighting with police for hours and smashing dozens of cars with sticks and bats, police said. They said 31 people were injured and 16 arrested.

Television images of Sunday's riot shocked Australians, who pride themselves on tolerance.

Racial tensions in Australia have been rising in recent years, fueled by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the U.S. and the 2002 bombings on Bali, Indonesia, that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.