Pro or anti abortion?

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None of the pro life people here have answered my question - I wonder why? It is an uncomfortable one isn't it, but some people are sadly forced to make decisions like the one I mentioned above.

Things aren't black and white there are shades of grey, so I ask again if your baby was going to be born with a degenerative disease which causes terrible pain and suffering for a very extended period after it’s birth would you still decide to continue with the pregnancy or not.

I personally would have to think of the child first and if it was only going to suffer for the short time it was going to live for than I would be forced to at least consider a termination, what right have I to let such suffering continue when I could have prevented it.
No matter what my feelings are about the sanctity of life I would have real trouble with the suffering it would cause to go through with the birth of a child that would experience nothing but pain and utter misery.

quite hypocrytical for the CHurch to be anti abortion but also anti contraception.

If you let youngsters take measure against unwanted pregnancy that would surely reduce the abortion rate...

btw many Indigenous tribes use infanticide as means to imrpve dynamics in their nomadic life.

I know a few tribes who will kill one of a twin baby because twins are regarded in their beliefs as a bad omen

I'm pro choice, but for myself I'd keep the kid unless it would die shortly after birth. Any childhood would be good for one of my kids. But if you don't feel the same then that's okay. it's your body.

I guess that's where the religious views might influence your decision a bit. I'm buddhist so it doesnt really matter to me if the child is born or not but I know that for example christians would argue about that

whe had to sleep in our dog like a half year ago and i still regret them doing it sinds i grew up with him
ok i understand that he whas suffering but i dont really care no one ever heard of painkillers?
or are dogs not worth it anyway he shoulnd have die'd because of something like that he might have
lived way much longer

Against abortion, but in favor of keeping the legal system out of such an intensely personal and often complicated matter.

I will answer, although I'm not really the type of respondant you are looking for. I am "pro-life" in my personal life, but "pro-choice" as a political position.

I would have the baby and do my best to give it a comfortable and happy life for the short term it would have. It is not for me to decide if a life is worth living. I would have trouble with the suffering, and I would ask God why, but still I would feel that it was not my choice to make, to say that this life was too horrible to live.

Of course, odds are against me knowing before hand about such a disease. I refused much of the prenatal testing that was recommended, because I knew I would not abort. I wanted a good reason why before taking any test that posed even smallest risk to my baby. There wasn't one available for the amnio, so I skipped it. Both pregnancies, both over 35.

This is actually a good reason the Catholic Church is anti-contraception, but you have to think with a broader world view to see it. When you put the position together with allowing each member of the church to make their own decisions using their own conscious, then the position serves it's broader world political purpose without stopping individuals from taking a different view.

I agree with you there. That is an example of a good abortion. That's why I say abortions aren't black and white. If some asked me if I believe in abortions, I say "It depends on the situation." I cannot answer 'yes' or 'no' because it is not black and white.

I wouldn't want to live my life in pain either and would probably be mad at my parents for not aborting me. I would ask them "Why did you have me if you knew I was going to be living with psychical pain and it can't be fixed?" I would probably kill myself literally.

Some people are afraid to answer honestly because this is politics and in politics you can get attacked for your views and it can ruin a relationship between two people. It can also cause people to dislike you because they think you are a dumb ass. They can also take what you said the wrong way (like undecoveralien did with me for example) and make false assumptions of what you think and put words in your mouth. That's why it's important to ask questions. Every time someone doesn't believe in abortions, I ask them about what about if the woman is going to die because of her pregnancy, what about if the baby was growing in the fallopian tube instead. The baby is going to die and so will the mother. I even ask them about rape and how is the child going to feel when they find out when they are older about the reason why they were conceived. Heck every time a mother has her kid on accident because she made a poor choice by having sex and not use birth control, she keeps her kid but she refuses to say her child was an accident. Instead she says her kid was unplanned or unexpected. Lot of parents do not like to see their kids as accidents when the woman got pregnant on accident because she and her partner made a bad choice during sex. I heard it's because it makes the child feel they were never wanted in the first place. I think if they were never wanted, they would have been aborted or put up for an adoption or left at the hospital right after its birth. But lot of parents fall in love with their kids no matter what. Even if it turns out they have a disability.
I know some people have left their baby at the hospital because they were told their child was going to have a disability and they got told what their child might have because they suffered lack of oxygen to their brain. My boyfriend's parents took that chance when they got told their son might never be able to walk or talk, be out of diapers, they might have to color code everything because he would never be able to read, etc. But he did do all those things but he did everything late because of his brain damage. But he learns slower than everyone else and he cannot learn at the same pace as everyone and he is unable to memorize math problems so that's why he was in special ed growing up. He got held back twice in 1st grade because he couldn't read and he was unable to memorize math problems. In that grade the teachers want you to know the problems, not do them in your head to get the answer. They want you to memorize the answers to them. My boyfriend was unable to do all that and his parents didn't even recognize he had that problem nor did the school until he was in 1st grade for the third time. I guess his parents thought the only thing about his brain damage was doing everything late, not knowing he couldn't actually do some things normal kids can do.

I'm Pro-choice. If you want an abortion, go right ahead and do it. no one has the right to stop you.

I see what you're saying but doctors themselves who are aware of the level of suffering have recommended terminations to parents. If I knew for sure that the child was going to suffer nothing but terrible pain and medicine could do little to ease that suffering then I would have to try and put my emotional feelings aside and think of the child.

To say it is out of my hands because I am not knowledgeable enough about it would still make me feel like I am failing in my responsibility to the child. Honestly who here would want to live if it only meant excruciating pain without relief?
This is my personal feelings about the subject and it is a difficult one to come to terms with.

Pro-choice. It's the pregnant person's right to decide, not anyone else's.

Yes, I agree there are shades of grey & I could understand why someone in that specific situation could come to that decision.

What I do NOT understand, and have never understood, is how pro-abortionists can use special cases like this to justify abortion on demand in all circumstances. It is totally logically unsound, as in "All elephants are grey - this animal is grey, therefore it must be an elephant." This is clearly complete nonsense.

In terms of abortion, the same argument would run: "Everything that can be morally justified should be legal. I can justify an abortion on moral grounds in this individual case, therefore all abortions should be legal."

Yes, I am from the UK, and I am totally ashamed of the abortion laws & statistics in my country. Did you know that there was a vote in the House of Commons recently on reducing the time limit for late abortions from 24 weeks, and it was lost because a group of supposed "Pro-Choice" women physically prevented MP's from getting into the "For" lobby?

How can they call themselves "Pro-choice" if they use tactics like that to impose THEIR opinions on others!! !! !!

As I have posted on another thread, everyone always has the choice to break any law at any time, but they make that choice knowing of the possible consequences. It does not mean that the law should not exist.

I know that we do not live in a perfect world, but the answer to the problem is not to say "we may as well legalise things because people will do them anyway", but to find other, more creative, solutions to the problem.

How ridiculous is it that we murder thousands of normal healthy babies every year, who could have gone on to lead normal, happy, productive lives, while at the same time desperate women are undergoing IVF & surrogacy because they are so desperate to have a baby?

Surely the solution is too obvious to have to point out?

I know a family who had a baby found out in the womb that the baby may have this weird disorder that affects the way the baby feels pain, even though, the mother still had the baby, instead found out the baby had a disorder that stops the child from feeling any pain at all! So everybody thinks what a great thing that is, no it isnt, in fact the little girl chewed off her hand, she didnt feel it, poked her eye until she was blind, if she fell and broke her leg nobody would know, the mother had to assume that something was wrong, she wasnt getting any signals that it was hurtin her so it didnt matter to her, now that mother tells ppl everywhere that be lucky you feel pain! Now that mother knew her baby was going to be born with this or soemthing related to this but still gave that baby a chance! You have no idea what people are capable of, how even sometimes children who have the worst diseases, disorders in the world who end up being the best advocate and changing this world. Like the baby born with mermaid syndrome, the mother still had her, yet now shes worldwide known, and they had several operations so she could walk, now shes doing amazing. Doctors told my one friend her baby was going to have spinabifida, that you abort it if u wanted to, well she didnt, guess what, the baby didnt have spinabifida! Doctors dont always know much at all. Also what about the actor who has down syndrome, goes to show you that he didnt let his disability stop him, or the people with down syndrome getting married, what about those? Nobody talks about the amazing people out there who despite their disabilities are changing this world as we know it! Nobody knows for sure what their aborting at all, and nobody knows what that child who was aborted could have been, or where they would end up! There are tons of agencies you can just give that baby up to without even letting them know, tons, i use to help out one, open door pregancy center i think it was called, where they got donations and help so people who dont want children can give up their child without all this paper work or ppl knowing their an unfit mother, and give this child a chance to live life. Don't you think everybody should have the chance to live, jsut because one person says this child will suffer, how the heck do you know how that child is going to handle its life, how do you not know that child will rise above it and prove everybody wrong. Nobody can make that decision, that child should have a right to live, right to make their decisions in life.

That's complete nonsense. Do you have a link to a reputable news site to back up your claim?

well that's a great story but unfortunately it isn't allways the case.