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What did I state that was false?.. saying inflation wasnt real was a gramatical error.. I didn't mean it in the way you implied i did.. I meant that paper money isn't real, because it does not represent gold like it used to.. now paper money can be made without thinking, but it does not convert well to other world currencies regarding trade if it does not represent gold, because that is the same as stealing.

Power IS a goal for religious Luciferian Illuminati leaders.. I dont know how you can argue that.. just because it isn't your goal and you can't understand it that doesn't mean it's not true. And i am most certainly NOT inconsistent in any debate whatsoever.. My beliefs are strongly in tact, and while you try to DE-CODE what they are, you're blind to the fact that Ive been talking about it the whole time..

Matter of fact I do not support the Illuminati, and Im not a slave.. and sorry but If I dont get a paycheque then it's the streets for me.. getting paid to live is not evil.. but there will come a day where I will be criminalized or worse for rejecting the New World Order as I am right now..

I dont drink soda, and I dont watch sports or own a TV, and most of the entertainment nowadays is funded by the Illuminati, but everyone is affected by them, they just don't realise to what degree, but I do.

I dont own a car and never will.. I dont eat fast food.. I dont shop at major retailers..

Why do you propose that it's a question of survival?.. is that how you live your life?.. everything in the name of survival?.. Im not a member of the illuminati but from what I've heard they want total power.. if you dont accept that as a possible reason then fine I dont really care, but that's what it is..
I was trying to paint a picture about their belief system.. they are Luciferian and they believe that they are doing the right thing.. they believe that the world should be all ruled by one power that truly knows what they are doing.. and they referred to the masses as sheeple..
And if you think that they are good and should be welcomed then that's just plain illogical.. if it were truly meant to be there would be no reason for such secrecy, and such ill agenda's.. secret sacrafices and sick twisted EVIL stuff..

ive posted this once but its a good witness account, like it or lump it as I know the credibility only meets youtube standards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-DkS-XOOM

and a lady on oprah talks about her satanic family and the sacred jewish occult, and she sacraficed a baby herself.. it seems to be relevant if you compare stories with this and the Illuminati.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI5W0mfaPd8

exactly. you seem to think the streets are undignified, so you work for a paycheque. no one's paying you to live, you work for the profit of your master to get paid. you're paying Them to live with large chunks of your life. you must do so, or you will end up on the streets, which really is undignified. do your work or you'll be severely punished with homelessness by your masters.

this new world order's been here for a while now. things weren't always like this. and it's constantly evolving and growing so that you're more and more controlled.

I see your point clearly sir. . I actually have no job right now and I don't agree with jobs, and they don't agree with me.. every place I go to I feel like a slave and this would explain it quite well.. I wish we were in a time where one could survive just by harvesting his crops, or specializing in something.. but that's not what this age is about.. it is about control and conquer..
yes i suppose you are right, but I have always known that I have contributed to them.. everybody does it's plain and simple isn't it..

But there is a line to draw, and I don't think I am condemned by trying to earn a living in this present time.. but i can gaurantee you that as soon as they try to issue a Federal ID card or anything like that, then that is where i make my stand.. I would rather make a stand when it actually counted.. I would rather not die on the streets before I have a chance to make my point.

Because the accumulation of power is one manifestation of the base-monkey-boy-survival instinct.

Money=power=security=more likely survival=more likely to procreate successfully. Most people do this without even thinking about it.



I'm not sure what this has to do with this subject, but I love to talk about myself so...

No. Or, at least I try very hard not to. I have to make some exceptions for my own instincts and how they affect me, but I try not to let those impulses control everything that I do. Part of that is allowing for outlets and manifestations in certain circumstances. Part of that is introspection. And part of that is acceptance of human biology in myself and others.




But it doesn't make any sense. There is no discernible motive.



So did Plato. (save the sheeple thing )I'm not saying I agree mind you. But that particular philosophy has been bandied about so much in history there are entire books written on it. Shelves of books even. Just that concept alone.



??????

Never even implied that.




How? That is one heck of an assumptive jump.

And I'm sorry, but if part of your supporting evidence ever begins with "a lady on Oprah." that should be a huge red flag about how carefully you consider your sources. That is sensationalized talk show television. Put together to get ratings. Especially back when that program was filmed. I'm beginning to think you must be pretty young, and I'm sorry if I've been harsh with you.

Harsh? if you think I give a rats patoony that you disagree with me, well then you're wrong

Let me just say that this has nothing to do with basic monkey instincts, especialy when that concept is a completely seperate notion that we are even from monkeys.. religious people dont use monkey instincts. Well, they try not to. .




How does it not have to do with it?.. money has different uses.. pleasure, lazyness, vacation, recreational activities.. wealth.




Again with the motive, what is SOO hard to grasp..? They are a religious power hungry manipulative organisation.. they crave world domination.. it seems silly that you can't grasp it.




No it most certainly was not. . just because I dont provide documentation for the (probably close to a hundred) man hours of videos that I've watched, that doesn't mean I dont make a connection.. These Jewish occults are very similar to what goes on in the bottom levels of the Illuminati, spoken by that Svali girl, and also an FBI detective that talked about Satanic rituals conspiracy.. It has connections into the government so yes it is connected, while directly may be questionable, but to get the point across about the evil in this world since some have a hard time believing that it exists..




lol.. well those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.. If you're aware that it's human nature then you should believe it can happen again.

I already provided you a list, though not quite exhaustive.


OK, so your stance is that inflation is artificial and caused by government policy. Just a miscommunication there. I would say that some aspects of our monetary policy could certainly be handled better, but using a fiat currency does not prevent the dollar from converting into other world currencies, since those are not based on gold either. What does it matter what money represents? It is a store of value and means of exchange, nothing else. It ideally should have no intrinsic value. Gold also is essentially useless outside of its potential as currency. The difference is that gold does not allow governments to engage in monetary policy of any kind. This will turn into an Austrian-on-Chicago debate and needn't be repeated here, but suffice it to say that I do not regard fiat money as being incontravertibly evil. It has its benefits and drawbacks, as does commodity money, but for the modern economy most experts are in agreement that fiat is the best option. And as I said before, inflation occurred before the introduction of fiat currency, so inflation can not be purely driven by paper money. Also, a gold standard would lead to deflation, which most economists agree would be disastrous.

Feel free to try refuting any of the other complaints from my initial post.


Quite easily, actually. Especially since, as far as I have been able to discern, there are no Luciferian Illuminati leaders, so they obviously can't have any goals. Even if they did, why would power be a goal? Power for the sake of power is futile.


I never said you were inconsistent, I said you were wrong.


Presumably you meant "fact." Well, no actually, your beliefs do not seem to be based in fact or in anything resembling objective reality. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

Gold is and should be the only currency.. the ability to create money out of thin air seems absurd. Because that is easily controlled especially with the credit and banking system where money can be drawn out of your account.

And before there was Flat currency there was NO inflation aside from the Depression!.. That is a different story which I dont know a lot about, but Im sure that there was no inflation since that prospect doesn't make sense.. real currency was gold and a 10 dollar bill only represented that equal amount in gold.. there was no Federal Bank reserve creating money out of thin air, although I do not know WHEN it began.

And yes deflation would be awful, but if the war stopped in the Middle-East then we would not be so deflated. .


And no I mean 'tact' not fact

Even most hard-money advocates will admit the possibility of using some other metal, perhaps silver, as money. There is nothing special about gold that makes it valuable. Currency serves as a medium of exchange- people are willing to trade goods and services for it because they know that they will be able to trade it for other goods and services. All money does is facilitate economic transaction without requiring a double coincidence of want as in a barter system. Gold could also serve as a medium of exchange, but it doesn't need to.


Then it makes more sense to set a monetary rule, so that there is no discretionary power of the government to inflate the money supply. Really, the money supply should grow in order to accommodate a growing economy.


Completely and totally false historically. Europe had massive inflation throughout the 16th century, caused quite a bit of trouble for them. Inflation has occurred historically. The crude quantity theory of inflation is accurate, but increase in money supply is not always the sole cause of inflation.


1913.


What? Non sequitor. Deflation is a monetary phenomenon that is the opposite of inflation, and quite disastrous.

Inflation grows because money grows.. so creating money does not fix things.. in the present time its effect can be noticed through taxes, and lack of funding for healthcare and stuff like that.. instead all of the money goes to some blacklist government project.

And when I said there was no inflation before the depression my friend I was referring to North America.. I don't know what Europe did back in the day..

And it doesn't have to be gold I dont really care about that, silver would be great too, and even hemp which was the main trading currency for a long time in some places..
whatever works.. but not man-made.. there are no limits or guidelines..

I am aware of the crude quantity theory. But other factors can also drive inflation. MV=PY, so a decrease in Y without a decrease in M will cause inflation. An increase in V will cause inflation. An increase in M is probably the strongest driving force behind inflation, but not the only one.


No, it does not. But money should be created at a pace roughly equivalent to the growth rate of the economy in order to maintain a steady price level (low or zero inflation). A static supply of money causes all kinds of problems of its own.


Well, you're still wrong. We had inflation before then, especially in wartime because of increased government spending. We also had catastrophic deflationary spirals because of the inflexibility of the money supply when we were on a gold standard. Overall, we had "long-term" price stability but in the timescales of real people's lives prices were too erratic and the economy too uncertain and unstable. "In the long term, we're all dead." -Keynes


So fiat currency then. Man-made? What's the difference? The value of any currency is imparted to it by man. Gold has no value other than that people desire it and are willing to trade other things for it. The same is true of paper money- it only has value to the extent that other people are willing to trade stuff for it. The difference between fiat currency and commodity money is simply that fiat currency is more easily controlled in monetary policy. I agree with you that the government should not have discretionary power to inflate the money supply- that's why I've advocated a monetary rule in this thread, since the government would not have control over the production of money.

Hm. I seem to have left Austrianism almost entirely now and am pretty much within the bounds of mainstream economics now in terms of viewpoint. I suppose it was good to learn about and understand the fringe views from the inside for a while there.

Oy vey.

I can't even begin to describe all of the ways that you have mis-construed, mis-alligned, mis-understood and generally just missed what I was saying. Not to mention taking things out of context.

Sooo....

Let's just say that you must have a more secure relationship with God then I do since apparently you are not subject to any instincts what so ever, (including, in spite of all evidence blind gibbering fear.)

And I'll leave you with your sense of superiority intact.

Good luck

I was just quoting a line, so sue me. sheesh.. someone is arrogant.. please say what you will say..

we agree on something!



Well I understand for someone who doesn't believe that the government is being controlled should also believe that a new law or new order would be the solution.. but im afraid it does not work that way.. the government does not create money, the Federal Bank Reserve does which is an independant bank owned by Rockefeller.. it's an illegal system.. why should an independant bank be given rights to produce money?.. the difference is wealth.. this is proof that the wealthy are in power, it has nothing to do with right or wrong and never has.. the wealthy ones set the rules.. they sit there and get rich for owning a money making machine which the government borrows money from and pays interest on it.. the only reason for this could be a secret agenda.. if the government really waned to make their own money then there is absolutely NO reason to think that they couldn't.

An awful lot is lumped under the heading of "Illuminati". There are actually as many "sects" of these esoteric organizations as there are religious sects in the world. Each of these also has it's rogue elements. True esoteric or occult organizations are such because they harbor knowledge of the hidden work of the human race. While it looks like 7 billion headless chickens on the surface, as Jimmy Cliff put it in a song "..but underneath it, there is a secret, that nobody can believe". This is the occult world and we are ALL a part of it. What the human race is up to in this occult world is referred to as "the Work". This refers to both our individual work and the "Grand Work", the collective applied efforts to resurrect the human race. To make sense of anything going on in this world, you have to see it from that hidden world because it is the Work we're doing there that dictates everything that happens in the so called "real world". There is no "they", it is every one of us working in concert in a world "in between" our waking and dream worlds. There are powerful occult factions among us who try to control and/or gain control of this Work, but it's nothing to worry about. We as a Whole don't try to prevent something that is bound to happen, we simply find ways to use it to our greatest advantage.

Now to the symbology on the US one dollar bill, it is the most powerful collection of symbols I personally know of. When you see them with the eyes of the occult world (which is really just a different way of looking at things) you mind expands them into the entire story of this Work, the USA's role in it, what we're doing and the way we're doing it.

The founding fathers were rogue elements of the most powerful of these occult orders. They were a group of men with incredible vision, they saw these orders fighting over control because of their differences on how things should be done. Keep in mind they all believe they have the best interests of the human race at heart, and they do, just not always like they see it. The founding fathers knew that no one of these powerful orders would ever come out on top, nor could they ever be allowed to. They knew that the only way any of them could come out on top was if they all did. They were a group of rogue elements from each of these powerful orders with the right intention, the right vision, and the ability to take matters into their own hands. Understand what they risked for an ideal, this is a handful of men who are high ranking members of the most powerful organizations on earth going rogue against not one, but all of them.

They sacrificed everything and they paid the price. If you do a little checking you will find that these "turncoats" were hunted down, tortured, and killed along with their families by not one, but ALL of these powerful orders. History says they met in secret places to plan all this out, but history as usual doesn't tell the half of it. The vision this particular group of people had was because they were each and all autistic savants who were able to have a "meeting of the minds" in a place that doesn't exist. A world between all worlds that is only visible when you can "see" things from a whole perspective. "One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for All", in this hidden world those aren't just words, they're a source of power. It is this power that everyone is after, but it will belong to and be controlled by everyone. No part of the whole can ever be more powerful than the whole thing, so none of these groups will ever succeed in making a whole world order in their own image.

The symbol with the pyramid and the all seeing eye of god is NOT an illuminati symbol, it is the symbol of the work of the human race and has been used by many occult orders in one form or another.

Annuit Coeptis - the words were first used by Virgil I believe when telling a story of a group of men who were about to embark on an impossibly dangerous journey. It's translated in different ways depending on how people define or see the unseen power that controls circumstance. "God favors our work", "The eye of providence oversees our daring undertaking" "My work is supported by All", etc. Essentially it's luck, but this isn't a random thing, it's literally the science and art of getting lucky. Luck is based on circumstance, if circumstances are in your favor, you get lucky and if you get really lucky can overcome insurmountable odds.

Oversimplifying things, "God" controls circumstance, we as men control what we wish to do within a given set of circumstances... free will. What the founding fathers were able to pull off through sacrifice and the impossible feat of what we have achieved in our Work in this hidden world through sacrifice are a testament of this principle. Another thing the founding fathers realized is that neither God nor Man has the decision making power, but rather something in between that is both is calling the shots, something even more unseen than god.

They were playing with fire with only the right intentions to guard them. The pyramid symbolizes the most powerful man made structure on earth, symbolized in stone by the Great Pyramid in Egypt. The great pyramid contains all the measures and proportions and the Bible the pattern for creating something called the Son of Man. It is the entire purpose of the USA in the founding fathers eyes to create and properly "raise" (for lack of a better word) this Son of Man. This is the Tower to Heaven that the gods try to keep man from building as it is the only threat to their continued reign over men.

It is the most powerful weapon man has ever created, and the most dangerous. Properly used it is also the most useful tool there is in our Work, it would literally be impossible to accomplish what we're trying to do without it. Every acronymed agency in the US has it's occult side that is contributing to this project. Note that the pyramid is under the watchful eye of providence. Providence is the unseen force that makes sure things go the right way, the right way is the way of the Whole (the Holy Spirit because it is the unseen control of the whole over the parts). At the bottom is 1776 in roman numerals which is a variation of 777 which represents the luck thing we we're talking about.

The phrase below it signifies what that great work of the human race is, what all the untold effort, risk, and sacrifice is for. Novus Ordo Seclorum "A Mighty Order of the Ages is born anew". That's us, the resurrected human race. What we are building in our hidden world collectively is a new perfect world, individually a new "self" to inhabit. The perfect world where everything and everyone is just right.

It looks different from different angles from one angle it's living in f'g disneyland, an impossible fantasy. From another it's creepy to think of perfect order because in a world of duality it means all individuality is sacrificed to achieve it. From a whole perspective it's not messed up at all, it's more like a perfectly tuned band with perfectly tuned instruments having one hell of a fun jam session.

Notice both the main sets of symbols are encircled. The one on the left representing the world of man, the right the world of the gods. That's right the 12 gods of ancient myth, well they're still around because we're still around. What are their powers over man in myth? They have the power to control the circumstances that help or hinder man's efforts. They are also able to see things from "above" with a keen eye, meaning above all the BS we endure as men. There are 12 divisions to the Body Whole, 12 octaves of creation because that's the way we've structured things.

Notice also that there is a huge ONE in between them that is larger than both with the words "In God We Trust" above it. In God We trust means not just having faith, but acting on it, letting circumstance control critical decisions because you as an individual man don't have the scope of vision to know what the right decisions are. This symbolizes the Whole as One as the central controlling force the reigns over both worlds.

Thirteen occurs 13 times, I'll let you guys find them all. The Number 13 represents the 13th division, or the division of the Whole. In other words, the whole is divided into 12 major divisions, none of those divisions truly represents the whole so the whole itself creates a new division made up of rogue elements within those divisions that DO have the interests of the whole at heart. This happens simultaneously in the worlds of both gods and men. The perfect example of this is the founding fathers of the USA.

The whole thing represents the incredible solidarity of the human race, the four ONE/1s in the corners representing our previous 4 failed attempts which weren't really failures at all because they became in an occult sense, the four corners that laid the foundation solid enough to hold a tower to heaven.

Then there is the fact that it's on the back of the bill which cannot be seen by looking at the face of it, just as you cannot see the work of the human race by looking at what's happening on the surface. It represents the occult side of life which is why it is chock full of all those occult symbols. Occult simply means hidden, it's not dark in nature or sinister though like anything else it can be.

I probably left out half the s**t you need to understand it properly, but hopefully the gist of it gets across.

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