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Corporations have the same rights as people. What type of person is a corporation?
A nice guy who gives you cheap stuff. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
A nice guy who gives you cheap stuff. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
A creative and enterprizing guy. 12%  12%  [ 6 ]
A creative and enterprizing guy. 12%  12%  [ 6 ]
An automaton who's only goal is self-interest. 31%  31%  [ 16 ]
An automaton who's only goal is self-interest. 31%  31%  [ 16 ]
A psychopath. 8%  8%  [ 4 ]
A psychopath. 8%  8%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 52

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26 Nov 2005, 9:31 am

And you think about nothing else besides guns and blowing people up?



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26 Nov 2005, 10:55 am

I like it. I'm sure Sean can go one better, though...



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26 Nov 2005, 2:16 pm

ascan wrote:
I like it. I'm sure Sean can go one better, though...


As you have not suggested to the contrary, I assume you agree with me in saying that most things in life are one big corporate scam, and the best way to improve humanity is to dump the corporations.



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26 Nov 2005, 2:34 pm

RobertN wrote:
ascan wrote:
I like it. I'm sure Sean can go one better, though...


As you have not suggested to the contrary, I assume you agree with me in saying that most things in life are one big corporate scam, and the best way to improve humanity is to dump the corporations.

But you'd not do that, RobertN, because you already have a vague idea where I stand on that issue. :lol:

But if you want some comment from me, I'd say that it's not the corporations you hate; but, in fact, humanity in general. Large organisations are all the same, whether capitalists' corporations, or Socialists' state bureaucracy. They are all composed of human beings who have the primary motive of feathering their own nest.



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26 Nov 2005, 4:58 pm

I don't think RobertN hates humanity; I think he cares a great deal about it. Corporations and governments will not always be corrupt if they are kept in check. I don't think everyone is capable of behaving like those who run corrupt corporations and governments anyway-I have a feeling most people aren't, which leaves out most of humanity. I think that most people would not behave as corruptly as some corporate executives if they were in their position; in fact, that's probably why they are not in that position in the first place. Positions such as the executive level of corporations (as well as, in some cases, high levels of government) tend to attract a certain type of person, a person who is mainly interested in money and power and will sometimes stoop to great levels to achieve their goal. Getting to that point often involves stepping over people and I think that people who do not have such a strong desire for money and power would feel uncomfortable with that. I know of factory workers who have turned down promotions because they feel that being in a higher position would distance them from the blue collar working men and women they have spent so much time fighting for and siding with. You see the same situation with government (in fact, in the U.S, corporations and government can be very closely linked), although I do believe that there are many who are in the government out of a genuine desire to serve people and make the nation a better place-not to say they're completely uncorrupt, but more so than some (*cough* Delay *cough*) Yeah, it is human nature to look out for your own first, but most humans also have a code of ethics, of right and wrong, and although few people follow it 100% of the time, most make an effort. The lying, cheating, stealing, taking advantage of employees, outright exploitation of laborers, and funding of politicians whose actions hurt people that goes on in some corporations are things that I think (hope!) most people's conscience would not let them do, at least not to a great extent. There are far more small businesses in the U.S than corporations, and I'm willing to bet many of them are content to stay small and/or keep their practices ethical. I'm willing to bet even some corporations are fairly ethical in their practices-the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, for instance, which, unfortunately, was recently threatened by right-wingers in Congress (note: I have nothing against the Republican party-just corrupt politicians, which, unfortunately for it, the Republican party seems to have a disproportionate number of. The Dems probably have their share too) who were going to cut off their funds unless it hired Repubs at top level positions because their programming was too "biased" i.e, it did not serve their interests. If I sound a little unreasonably harsh on right-wingers, or a little extreme, it's because I've been reading a lot of the stuff at theocracywatch.org and the Yurica Report and an online article titled "Expose: The 'Christian' Mafia: Where those who run the government came from and where they are taking us; check it out and you'll see that it's not too unreasonable at all, nor is it a liberal scare tactic-believe me, I really wish it was. That's not to say governments and corporations will always be bad of course, but they need to be kept in check. If this is done, both can do good. The problem is when they become corrupt.



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26 Nov 2005, 5:56 pm

I think Midge is right here about there being a certain type of person who is at the top of large corporations. I suggested in a past thread that executives be screened by independent watch bodies and denied power if they showed psychopathic tendencies.

I don't think we should destroy all the corporations absolutely. I think they should be made to fit in with society instead of trying to control society.



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26 Nov 2005, 6:05 pm

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I don't think we should destroy all the corporations absolutely. I think they should be made to fit in with society instead of trying to control society


Right on!

Here's a good site that talks about the links between corporations and the government, usually to the detriment of the people: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/9_corp.htm



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03 Dec 2005, 12:41 am

Well also acorsding to Federal Tax codes, a close friend of mind runs a "corperation," but his store is only a game shop in a strip mall. To say that all corperations are bad is to say all men are masoginistic pigs. Most multinational corperations are out to take you for every last cent you are worth and leave your dead corpse on the street. Yes it is "Us vs. Them" and the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.


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