The genealogy of Jesus conflict.

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Exactly, slowmutant.

Logic isn't perfect - but a lot of people who put more emphasis on logic, who are "Logic-typical", can't stand what they see as illogical such as religious faith. And faith-based thinkers often see Logic-typical as Godless souls headed for eternal damnation.

Two different ways of thinking. Kind of like the two different neurological ways of being of neuro-typical and aspie. And we all know how they get along.

Z

there was a sale once at "bibles galore". they had a triple package on offer. if you bought a bible, you would get a "koraan" and a "bhagavad gita" thrown in for free.
"never be caught out in any philosophical discussion". hmm
maybe i should have taken up the offer. (that was was a "joke". the rest of my post is serious)

a jehovah's witness person came to my door recently and wanted to talk about jesus.

i am sorry but they would have no idea who jesus was.
no one knew jesus's surname. there are "jesus's" all over the place, so how do they know they have the right one without a surname?

and another thing is this: if jesus died on the cross and got resurrected and came back to life, then how long did he live after he was resurrected and what did he do with his life after that?
how did he slip into obscurity after he was resurrected? i mean.. it must have been seen as a miracle and his fame must surely have been amplified, yet his story disappears.

no one can tell me any answer i ask for, and it is a flimsy story that billions are rigidly attached to.

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You know, we haven't heard anything about ruveyn's Normative Judaism. Maybe he doesn't want to expose his own religious beliefs to the harsh judgements he hands down to other peoples' religous beliefs. He refers to himself as being Jewish and yet is virulently anti-religion and anti-thieist. How can this be?

The opposite of contradictory is consistent. A set of statements A1,...An is consistent if there exists a world in which all are true. A set of statements B1 ... Bm is contradictory if and only if in no world can they all be true. A statement C is a tautology if C is true in every world.

ruveyn

Have you read from the Bible at all or you just blowing smoke?

Yes, but that wasn't the question.

What is it that has no contradiction, no opposite?

This is a bit of riddle.

My beliefs are a private matter. Unlike some others, I do not beat people over the head with my personal beliefs. However I am happy to share facts and logical inferences with others and I will point out their mistakes for no charge. I am not in the business of making conversions.

I will share my opinion of organized religion. Generally organized religion manifesting itself in the form of institutions and power centers has been responsible for war, bloodshed, death, misery and division in Mankind. On balance it has been a pestilence and a plague. Religion if practiced at all, should be practiced privately. One should put himself in a closet and pray to his Father, Mother, Sister, Brother, Aunt or Uncle in Heaven.

The thing I urge on my children and grandchildren is that the have good manners and show respect for other people's lives and property. And when practical show some charity and forbearance to those who need it. If I were to describe what I do and believe I would refer you to the Noahide Laws (look them up).

My practices are public. I donate blood platelets 15 times a year and I make audio books for the blind and dyslexic. That is what I do. Why I do it is my business.

ruveyn

I think you're full of it.

There are even a lot more contradictions: How died Judas? or Where spend Jesus the night prior the Sermon of the Mountain?

Given the fact that the gospels of the New Testament are editions of earlier unknown sources, written decades after the actual story it is no surprise that we do not have an reliable information what happened. Obviously it was not regarded by the contemporary of Jesus as so important to have proper written records. May we read better Suetonius and Tacitus, the story they tell is more interesting and both are regarded as little bit biased, but reliable.

no but it sounds like an interesting book with a mediocre title.

I thought so.

so you agree

The title is elevated out of mediocrity by the contents of the book. It is a very special book.

ok i am not going to make fun of the bible.
i went too far in my dismissiveness .
i never read it but i know it is not to be made fun of.

i was not talking about the "bible" anyway. i was talking about that book you mentioned in your post which had the word "bible" in it's name.

"blowing smoke" is like talking pollution or something.

forget it.
i do not really understand enough.
you are free to go.