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Well, it's because z0rp is small-minded and bigoted. He's one of those cynical, bitter atheists who just hates everyone.

Thanks.

Most Muslims are actually quite warm and decent folk, compared to the view most westerners have. True, many are fanatical, but they make a very small minority. It really depends on culture. If you visit Saudi Arabia, for example, you'll hate Riyadh, but will end up loving Jeddah.

Just don't visit my city. Not that people are fanatical here, most are just nominal Muslims, or once-a-week-prayer Muslims, people are generally rude, indecent, and conmen. It's a Hyderabadi phenomenon, and it effects Muslims, Hindus, and Christians equally. Not to mention that they're racist. My Tanzanian friend from class was walking in the old city, and these Muslim kids followed her, shouting "negro", and started throwing pebbles...

The most ironic thing is she was there to study Islam.

Peace.

Bah I guess you weren't joking then.

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Well I really find most parts of Islam, especially to the average non-muslim to be rather unappealing which I suppose is why I didn't count out the thread as being a joke. I myself question the actual legitimance of Islam which is why I don't believe, hence also why I don't believe anything else.


If I was honestly small-minded I'd be obeying the dogma dispowed upon me earlier on. I've gotten into the habit of questioning common aspects of life, especially those that seem a bit off. But yeah by your definition of bitter which seems to apply to people like Pat Condell or whoever you were claiming to be bitter in that other thread, I'd apply fine. I also can't really find myself to hold hatred or grudges, as I'm the type that prefers to laugh rather than get angry.

z0rp, the issue is that you say "no one in their right mind" would subscribe to any form of religious belief. That is incredibly f*****g arrogant. Intelligent, rational people can disagree on a variety of topics, and religion is one of them. You don't believe in God? Fine. That's your prerogative. But don't assume that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically less of a human being. Don't claim that people who don't share your beliefs must inherently be morons. Develop some theory of mind and try to understand other people's beliefs rather than merely dismissing all of us as lunatics.

You're little better than fundamentalist bigots like Falwell.

Cat Stevens did.

no one in their right mind would convert to any theistic religion.


theism = mental occupation of portions of the brain that have been failed to be occupied with the correct information or a failure to comprehend that information. the article i posted before about a direct inverse relation between theism and scientific understanding articulates this point pretty well. a challenge on a false belief structure that's enslaved people for far too long...but unfortunately i'm realizing more and more that people wish to be slaves...either that or are programmed from birth by such non-sense to believe it with all their core.

Atheism I can understand, but not anti-theism. Why oppose God if He isn't in your life? Why oppose something that doesn't affect you? You don't oppose gay marriage simply because it doesn't affect you. How is this any different? God does not demand that you believe in Him.

That's not what the first commandment says...

The ten commandments are not binding on non-Christians. There is no punishment for apostacy in the Bible. The one who instituted capital punishment for apostacy was Justinian I, the Byzantine Emperor, as a civil law, it was mainly directed towards Jews, Samaritans, Manichæans, and other "heretics".

Anyway, the commandment on breaking the sabbath is rarely followed. The punishment for that is death by stoning.

Peace.

i don't oppose gay marriage because opposing gay marriage unjustly denies a group of people a tax/civil status for a benign reason. it affects others needlessly and harms them not only in the status being denied but makes them as sub-citizen status. actually worse, because you only need 1 citizen to get married...the other person could be an illegal alien, theoretically...but when two legally abiding citizens of the same sex attempt to get married, they can't. that's a civil right being denied to an entire group of people.

and theism does directly affect my life all the time. it affects daily life. "god" doesn't demand anything because it doesn't exist. the fact that you and trillions of other people do believe such a demand exists is more than enough to affect daily life. if i'm outted as an atheist, i face more public distrust, face being viewed as less than a citizen, i'm seen as a threat to many, and in the words of george h w bush "I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic"...that kind of mentality does effect my dail life.

I prefer to persecute christians than muslims

I'm not sure but I think it might be due to being a minority, and christians are not a minority, probably similar like racism, for some it's more acceptable to be racist against white people than against black people, so perhaps that has something to do with it.


Christian!


I consider that to be one of the best ways to put it, when it comes to these issues.

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I was watching the (vaguely) islamist youtube series 'the arrivals'.

They make the disturbing claim that in hollywoods films arabs have been consistently portrayed as either evil or stupid; you will rarely, if ever see an arabic character in a positive light. This sterotyping goes right back to the very beginnings of hollywood.

sadly, that seems to be fairly true...at least can't think of any strong arabic characters that are portrayed in a positive manner.

You seemed to show a closed minded attitude by saying "no one in their right mind......"
Really, because someone doesn't share your same beliefs is not "right" minded?

Sorry, but I certainly doubt you have the qualifications to become the judge on definining who is "right"-minded and who is not, besides, that concept as you put it is actually meaningless here as it doesn't provide argument other than seeming to be a subjective reaction of disgust.


I'm laughing too.

In Hildago the Arabs were arrogant and intolerant, but not stupid, in my opinion. And even in their arrogance, most of them were rather likable.

I am constantly amazed at the dichotomy of many atheists in claiming to be logical and rational, and then claiming that anyone who isn't "logical and rational" exactly the same way they are must automatically be inferior. It is no different than a Christian claiming that all non-christians burn in hell forever. Judgemental and limiting options and possibilities of a universe that is, realistiaclly speaking, fairly limitless. Only an idiot claims absolute knowledge on a fundamentally unprovable subject.