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It is quite a stretch to interpret these lines as providing an explanation of why a book written several centuries later doesn't make any sense. Does your explanation of the... peculiarities, lets call them, of the Book of Revelation depend on anything other than quotes from other parts of the Bible? & does the proof of the truth of those parts of the Bible rest on anything other than quotes from yet other parts of the Bible? In other words, does your world view have any connection to reality?

it's just as stupid a statement as saying that all Jews are responsible for Christs death.

I stopped reading at David Icke.

And we know Jesus was a Jew too. How do we know?

1. He lived at home into his 30s
2. He went into his father's business.
3. His mother thought he was God
4. He thought his mother was a virgin.

Proof positive!

ruveyn

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All Jews? No, I don't think so. Certainly no one alive today. I have to admit, the epithet of "Christ-Killer" really doesn't apply to anyone of the Jewish faith.

And Jesus intended himself to be a blood sacrifice, anyway. That was his mission on Earth, to live a blameless life and then die for the sins of mankind. The prophecy could not have been fulfilled unless someone killed Jesus.

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All of them? Some of them? Even me? You may not be aware of this but at the time of Jesus supposed execution over 90 percent of all the Jews there were lived in the Diaspora and never even heard of Jesus assuming that he existed.

If you want to blame Jews then blame a noisy crowd in Jerusalem on the eve of Passover. How many would that be? A thousand. Two thousand? Surely not ten thousand. And while you are at it blame King Herod who was not even Jewish (he was a puppet of the Romans) and don't forget the Romans who ruled in Jerusalem. Crucifixion is a Roman method of execution which they learned from the Phonecians during the Punic wars. No Jewish authority would execute a death penalty by scourging or crucifixion for blasphemy. It would have been death by stoning.

ruveyn

Well, Revelation was written in "The Lords Day", that means the time of the end.
Daniel 12 Talks about "The time of the end"
If the Bible was inspired by One person, that is God, why wouldnt he use the same methods throughout and for the same reasons?

There are many similarities between Revelation and the Prophets of the old testament, the two witnesses also mentioned in is it Zecharia.
The beasts of Daniel as allready mentioned.
The persecution of the Holy Ones for 3 1/2 years also mentioned in Daniel.
Thats part of the understanding of the Bible, to actually read it all as one part explains another.

AS for my world view, nowadays we are allways hearing from the likes of Bush Brown and Kissinger how we need a New World Order, but it is many many years as a Christian that I have been expecting a One World Government based on the Revelation scriptures allready mentioned.

My world view also matches Revelation in that Revelation talks of a Harlot that has a "kingdom over the Kings of the Earth", when I see that half of the American Senate is dual nationality Isreali and we have a similar situation here in the UK, I can see that indeed the only People that where in a marriage coventant with God are playing the Harlot with the kings of the Earth, Kings that thier own law comands them to keep seperatated from, and that through the vast wealth and control of the issuing banks, they control the major world powers just as the likes JFK and Disralli warned.

I also have the hope that the New World Order, paraded on the back of the dollar, will only last for 42 months.

The Romans did the actual arrest, torture and crucifixion, but to them Jesus was just another threat to their ordlerly rule.

Ok, so your world view really has no connection with reality. I asked you if your proof of the Bible's truth depended on anything other the words of the Bible itself. You simply gave me more Bible quotes to back up your earlier Bible quotes.

The world view you demonstrate in the rest of the post seems to be based entirely on the assumption that the Bible is correct. In other words, you don't base your opinion of the Bible on anything other than the testimony of the Bible, & then you base your opinions about reality on what the Bible says. This is exactly backwards.

I'm with you on this one, ruveyn. I'm not trying to claim that the Jews, your ancestors, were literally the ones who killed Christ. The methodology was Roman. But you can't tell me that the Jews had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Its a collective blame.
When Piolete washed his hands to show he didnt want the Christ killed and his hands where clean of his blood, the Jews called, let his blood come on our hands and the hands of our children.

Bit like if you are a member of the BNP, you might not personaly have commited any racsist acts, but you are still heald jointly resposible for remaining in a rasist organisation.

So, in Revelation God says about his people, (his people being the Jews), to get out of the Jewish religion if they didnt want to share in any of her sins, (her being Jerusalem to whom God was in a marrage relationship), for her sins have risen clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.
It also says she is guilty of the blood of all the prophets.

Now, you cannot blame the Romans for killing the blood of the Prophets, that was the apostate Jews, and not all Jews participated in stoning the Prophets, but as God has warned, you can be guilty by association.

REV 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

REV 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

REV 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth

Sorry, I didnt realise what you where asking for.
This though would probably be the subject of another thread, "Why do you belive in the Bible"

A quick answer would be that I am unable to find anything in the Bible that science can prove, (rather than theorise) as being wrong.

One example being that only the Bible account fits in with how Mammoths can be found today, instantly quick frozen, so that thier flesh is still edible and they have fresh grass in thier mouths and plums in thier stomach.

Try explaining that with a gradual ice age theory.

And not uncommon: It was the common way of execution for slaves and for anyone who wasn't a Roman Citizen (or a citizen of town with special privileges, e.g. like the most Greek cities) and been seen as troublemaker.

There has never been a frozen mammoth that you could eat, that's just an urban myth. There is no inconsistency between the well-preserved conditions mammoths have been found in & the gradual ice age theory. The creature may have fallen into mud or water which later froze over, due to the fact there was an ice-age going on.

"A quick answer would be that I am unable to find anything in the Bible that science can prove, (rather than theorise) as being wrong."

Even if that were true it wouldn't be an excuse for crediting the outlandish stories in the Bible. But as it happens plenty of the claims of the Bible have been disproved, most obviously the claim that the world is less than 10,000 years old. If your faith rests on the inerrant truth of the Bible you owe it to yourself to do some honest research, & then discover whether you can put your faith on a firmer footing or whether you'll have to discard it.

Science and religion, in and of themselves, do not yield a complete view of reality. Through a combination of different perspectives we get a more complete, more balanced view.

Science serves as the chronicler of a God-created universe, as far as I'm concerned. And Creation is AMAZING.

No its not an urban myth, Ive seen old photographs.

As for your claim that the world is over 10,000 years old, well, firstly each of Gods days is 7 thousand years.

A mute point however.
Just because somebody is in the pay of somebody who wants me to belive in evolution, does not mean I should trust them enough to take thier word for it.
I have done research, a lot of it, I belived in evolution before I started thinking for myself.

For instance they tell us dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, but then I see Cambodiam temples with stegosaurous carvings, I read old Newspapers from 16th Centruy England that report dragons digging up fresh corpses to eat, flying reptiles allmost in living memory, Marco Polos report on the King of Mongolia having his chariot drawn by 6 dragons, Gods question to Job about Levitian, a creature Job would have had to be aware of for it to make sense.
The American Indian carvings of dinosaurs, etc etc, and I start to question the words of the anti-God brigade.