04 Feb 2009, 8:42 pm
twoshots wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Any behavior non conducive to the flourishing (health, happiness, success, &c) of the organism should be deemed ill.
So, most soldiers are ill. Good to know.
Sorry, forgot to add "acting in the interests of the state/society" to "flourishing"...
Right, well, it is actually important, as from what I've read, the ability to push back self-interest in a situation for social good is usually considered a part of mental wellness. This was in a book from like the 50s by a psychoanalyst, but still important.
04 Feb 2009, 8:56 pm
claire333 wrote:
Ok then, I will stick to the topic of mental health. I agree, to some extent, that the health professional should consider the individual. However, I cannot understand how you would think the organism is inconsequential. Most anyone would conclude, a person with suacidal thoughts and cuts themselves is suffering from mental illness. They might be prescribed a medication which causes them to feel lethargic, gain weight, and suffer from impotance. This medication could make them very unsatisfied as an individual. However, if the physician sees the medication has halted the suicidal thoughts and self-destruction, they could conclude the medication to be sucessful because it is preserving the organism.
Hey, why do you say that I am mentally ill!?
In any case, I dunno that I see a reason to necessarily consider them ill, I mean, we do not know the circumstances, or reasons of the individual. I mean, it would seem that if someone was ill, the illness wouldn't be a specific symptom, but rather a psychological process/failure in a psychological process, and once we get into the matter of psychological processes the issue of wrongful deviance from normal psychological processes pops up.
04 Feb 2009, 9:06 pm
04 Feb 2009, 9:07 pm
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Hey, why do you say that I am mentally ill!?
Obviously, because you are!
04 Feb 2009, 9:23 pm
04 Feb 2009, 9:43 pm
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Hey, why do you say that I am mentally ill!?
It takes one to know one...I guess. 
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
In any case, I dunno that I see a reason to necessarily consider them ill, I mean, we do not know the circumstances, or reasons of the individual. I mean, it would seem that if someone was ill, the illness wouldn't be a specific symptom, but rather a psychological process/failure in a psychological process, and once we get into the matter of psychological processes the issue of wrongful deviance from normal psychological processes pops up.
But the fact is, circumstances that are usually defined as reasons why, when considering phychological processes are generally wrong. Experimental psychology tends to prove this. People tend to assign reason based on biased preconcieved notions on how the mind works. The most instrospective people are the most likely to suffer from self-doubt and depression, and are most times wrong in their self-analysis. This is also often true of psychiatric professionals. A person can learn more about themselves spending a summer backpacking across the country than they can in five years on the couch of a psychiatrist.
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04 Feb 2009, 9:58 pm
twoshots wrote:
Well, that really comes down to what the difference between a disturbance of order and being unhealthy is. Anyway, they're often all lumped under one roof as far as I can tell.
Yeah, that is why they are all lumped together into the same stupid book, which really ticks me off...but I guess that is my own personal issue. 
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