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dead wrong.

ruveyn

I think you'll find it's fairly widely accepted over here, even amongst hardcore leftists, that certain minority groups tend to have large families. Like I said, that's cultural, as well as being influenced by our welfare state that pays them extra per kid they produce. Here's a quote from a reputable source:



http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/child-poverty-large-families

I think Anubis has just got a new job working for local government and been through the mandatory diversity-awareness indoctrination.

Am I wrong?

-creeps inside this forum-

-posts a link to a documentary called the Third jihad (subtitled in french but most of the audio is still english and easily understandable)- http://blip.tv/play/AdmXMI6nSg (30 mins long)

-flees from the madness that ensues- :p

OK let´s imagine the muslims are all bad and the christians had to bring them away to get worldpeace.
But the muslims are thinking the same way and they are both sure that they are right.
Aren´t the christians than as bad/good as the muslims? That becomes not clear to me.
And in what should this end?

Those that judge another purely by their colour or cultural identity are vermin.

Racists are the most dangerous subset of humanity, they breed discontent, hatred and war. If any group should be expunged from this planet it is them.



I am fairly ashamed that this post has attracted so little criticism.

Those that judge another purely by their colour or cultural identity are vermin.

Racists are the most dangerous subset of humanity, they breed discontent, hatred and war. If any group should be expunged from the planet it is them.



I am fairly ashamed that this post has attracted so little criticism.

It is not about christians vs moslems.

If christians behaved like moslems, I would be against them as much.

I am anti-christian.

But conflict today is between moslems and everyone else, including secular people like myself.

I will not allow Europe to end like Bosnia.

Except for the fact that it was mostly the Serbs f*****g over the Bosnians.

Pick a better example next time.

If not Bosnians had attempted to created islamist state, that would not have happened.

I will not accept islamist state being installed through democratic vote or secessionism.

If moslems installed sharia laws in your country, will you accept it?

Thus far you haven't made any correct statements.

How hard is it to believe that people can be of such opinions without indoctrination?

I've seen alot, and history tells us that racism is often incited as a means of oppressing others, or a defence mechanism when you feel threatened or discontented. You have to try and assert your own cultural/racial/national superiority in order to justify your continued dominance.

In this case, you feel threatened because you believe your homeland, which you feel very strong ties to, is under siege by immigrant invaders. That's understandable. However, you aren't exactly being kicked out. The bigger problem is overpopulation, not which ethnicity or mainstream religion people belong to. As far as the population is concerned, you're deluding yourself if you think that non-Europeans are going to become the majority in the forseeable long-term.
We do normally think of Britain as belonging to white European peoples, but Britain was built on immigrants, just as many other nations were. Why are people so hostile now? Mainly because of the distance and large cultural gaps, I suppose.

Ethnic West European immigrants wouldn't raise an eyebrow, would they? They might be able to settle well in Britain and people wouldn't care much if they became a large minority.

You're afraid that white people will become a minority and your own culture will be displaced. The first won't happen for a long time if ever, and British culture is only being mildly neutralised because of a demoralised populace and government feebleness. The lack of cohesiveness and weakened sense of nationality is due to internal, not external issues.

So, we do have a somewhat divided society. I've seen myself the way that ethnic groups are divided. Immigrants will often keep to themselves, true. One problem is that we don't acknowledge this; we sidestep the issue. Tradition often dictates that Middle Eastern immigrants adopt cultural practises which are alien to mainstream British culture(such as hijaab, different cuisine, different traditions). You see Muslims stay together in tightly-knit communities where they can feel united. Why does this happen, I wonder? Mainly because traditional Islam is excluded from many institutions, and those which feel more loyal to their religion or homeland are more likely to stay in such communities, whereas immigrants set on building a new life and becoming British citizens - often younger people with less cultural bias and fewer ties to established subgroups, may integrate flawlessly.
I think it's also hard for immigrants who come here to keep their homeland culture intact. If you've read around you might know that older, first generation immigrants who have children struggle to keep up traditions outside of their urban communities, whilst facing discrimination from suspicious Ethnic Anglo-Saxons. It works both ways, in a sense.

Who is being racist? I hope you aren't trying to deny the fact that some Muslims take their religion WAY too far to the extreme? Regardless, as an atheist I have no stakes in this immigrant Muslim versus native historically Christian Europe debate. I’m against all religions, especially the ones who take it way too far (mostly Muslims).

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The concept that the only way to deal with people that disagree with you is to kill them has generated a rather popular international sport called variously war, crusade, racism, genocide, freedom, etc. Since killing a huge number of people has also proved very profitable for people interested in resources they do not control and for the huge armament industry these fun activities have gone on for centuries. It beats the hell out of watching multiple cars being crushed for entertainment value in most popular films and it keeps people from thinking sensibly about how to solve the problems of living peacefully together and having productive lives. So it goes.

Lets take the UK: The UK has an Moslem-population of roughly 3.5%. If we we would assume that this population would double every 30 years (a high estimate), how do yo would describe "soon"?



The most Moslem in the UK are British Citizens and therefore, per definition, Europeans.

I think rabid leftists who see racism everywhere are more of a danger. Afterall, you're the only person in this thread so far to talk of a planet-wide cull of those whose views you disagree with.

An important point is that these Muslims are concentrated in certain parts of the country, and there are over 2 million of them. As you may be aware, if you drive through certain cities over here, in some areas almost everyone will be wearing the dress of Islamic countries. If you're a white European you're going to feel uneasy. I know of several people in a city near where I live who deliberately left because one of these ethnic enclaves was starting to encroach on their neighbourhood. Afterall, why risk getting tortured to death by some religous zealot? Even without that extreme, you find when they start taking over the local shops you're made to feel like an alien in your own country, as many don't even have the courtesy to speak the Queen's English. Oh, and better not barbecue those pork chops on a summer's evening unless you want Gordon's race gestapo knocking on the door!