911 A Proven Fraud

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And you should go back there.

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Last edited by Concenik on 29 Mar 2009, 3:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

We have attempted to highlight the many evidences which are in perfect conjunction to intimate to all, except for those who still find it too hard and are incredulous, that there was indeed a conspiracy. If you've looked into it may I ask what you think about the 'b-thing'? and the 'pod' - or what MOST feasibly were examples of squibs. The testimonies of firefighters and general public at the time who were saying they heard multiple explosions - at intervals at the base of the building not long before the first 'collapse'. things like this and so much more.. it's untenable - I find it hard to debate these things any longer tbh - you have you're conclusions so just stand by them - I have mine I'll do the same..
I referred to fiat in caps so as to highlight it - not every is aware of it - my potentially banal effort to draw attention to the acronym. Orwell, your tome is just so muffled in aggression - I've previously debated people who've adopted the same manner time and time again - I'm really not up for it until such a time that there is at least an inkling that your book isn't firmly slammed shut - you know what I mean, what's the point? if you want to joust find someone else - it'd just be an exercise in ego and futility imho and I know that I don't want or need that. *shrugs*
"at this point I'm curious if you even have much idea what you're talking about in relation to "debt-based FIAT" as you like to call it." you're so rude. But that's your look out not mine. the fiat sytem in place doesn't 'function' in conjunction with a fractional reserve debt/lending structuralisation?
Yes, you will know more about the intricacies of economic models seeing as how you have studied economics - in whatever capacity - apparently you perceive that as some manner of leverage for that is where your insults grow fiercest - sorry I won't play that game.
However, if you attest that there are no economists that say the things that I cite then I will have to go off and find the specific blasted papers etc of which I have communicated these basic premises. don't hold your breath though - I'm not in a competition with you and I'll get them when I darn well feel like it.
You assume I believe 911 was orchestrated by the US government - oh, thanks for letting me know - probably best not to assume - you typed a paragraph based on that assertion and it isn't something I assume - sorry man..

I assume (;)) that you know Eric Blair based the character Winston Smith on himself and was so perturbed by the state apparatus he saw in place - being also from an elite family didn't help I guess - so appalled that it was the reason he actually sought escape on Jura - he would go down to the dock once a month when ever the ferry arrived to see if there was a potential assassin onboard he was that convinced he would be killed rather than be allowed to speak out any further as to what he referred to as a 'conspiracy'. Just saying..

In terms of financial systems I imagine we have very different views indeed - I am drawn to both a libertarian perspective but also conversely to the models of Ernest Mandel - from his last years anyhow.

If you wish to continue quoting me and eliciting replies - please adopt a more civil tone - I am not insulting your intelligence whereas you are perpetually talking to me in a rather pompous and ascerbic tone which is uncalled for tbh.

yawn


the irony is you probably call yourself a patriot.

well, you went into Afghanistan pretty much immediately after to get Bush family friends Bin Ladens' rogue child - the one who was trained by the cia - Osama - the one who was receiving dialysis in Oman in 2004 when the station chief visited him in hospital..and if I'm not mistaken Obama just sent another 4,000 troops there (Afghanistan not Oman - but who knows what's next?! lol j/k). hmm, 8 years in - sure, it'll be over soon

" my administration will not tolerate secret societies [] there is a ruthless and monolithic conspiracy against us " - JFK it's a good speech you should give it a listen.

I agree with you absolutely. It's an extremely creepy affair - combine that with the whole seasmurf thing and my gosh...

yes, I think you are right about the brown shirts - I think more of it in terms of the stasi to be honest - after all, the now deceased former head of the stasi was hired in the capacity of 'consultant' to the secret service in the States only a few years ago - he was on the payroll for a significant amount of time too - one can only imagine what methodologies and knowledge he was requested to impart..

Squibs? Isn't that something from Harry Potter?


OK, people heard explosions. What does that indicate?


It's not an acronym, it's just a Latin word. Most people on this board are probably familiar with it, as fiat currency comes up periodically.


My viewpoint is never so rigid as to be immune to change. If you can come up with a good argument, you'd be able to convince me.


It functions quite well most of the time.


No, I have only studied economics at a very basic level and I said that up front.


I didn't say there were no economists who dispute the point, only that there aren't a very large number of them. Hard-core Austrians tend to be opposed to fiat money, but the Austrian school is very much a fringe movement within economics and, while intellectually very respectable, if I am not mistaken their conclusions are regarded as incorrect by the vast majority of mainstream economists.


Well, that was my best guess based on what you had previously said, given some comments about US intelligence. There are a lot of conspiracy theories flying around in relation to 9/11. In any case, what then do you believe? And what evidence do you have against whoever it is you believe is responsible?


Yes, I know about Eric Arthur Blair. Trying to pigeonhole my views based on my username doesn't work, though.


A libertarian Trotskyist? Odd juxtaposition there... I tend towards the libertarian side of things, and extend this principle to free markets.


You are reading things into my posts that are not there. I'm sorry if you perceive my posts as aggressive, but they are not. I actually am being far more civil to you than I normally would be to a new 9/11 "researcher." Most people on this site are autistic, so you can't expect that interactions will be as with non-autistics. Different communication styles exist on this board, and some of us can be abrasive at times, especially in PPR.

A lot of those tens of thousands of people claimed to see a JASSM Missile.
Do you know what a JASSM Missile looks like?

I wouldn't doubt that many of you didn't even bother to watch those videos.

ok I accept you may just be a bit spiky sometimes - fair enough but don't ad hom me, please. I had just assumed fiat was an acronym - rather tactless of me, admittedly. I'm not really au fait which much latin tbh although I do know ad' hom' in vino veritas and a some others
hmm, the thing about economic structure - there was a question mark..

An ex-aeronautics engineer on the 'conspiracy' site - a great guy, very sharp, 65 - he responds often to posts in the same form as you choose - it's rather 'unfair' - although that's not the right expression... I can't very well reply in kind with a lot of quote boxes can I? especially since most of your one liners are running out of my dissected previous post - it just becomes untenable...so I reply in a paragraph form which you then once again dissect and on the format rolls ad infinitum ( another latin phrase I guess I know )

I'm afraid I'll have to really just be extermely minimal in any replies if you want to play that game - no offence.

I am not pigeon holing you, Orwell!! ! Geez I thought it was an interesting little aside - that was all -very sorry for attempting civil banter lol
And actually as it goes - I did complete some tests as to autism and asperger's some time before - one was a kind of circular chart - I don't know if you can place the one I mean - at the time I was positioned definitely within the spectrum ( I don't even know how to phrase it tbh) - I am more or less completely new to what is the acceptable turn of phrase etc.. anyhow I really didn't pay much mind to this as it was just a test I did myself - I have always felt somewhat apart in different ways but I attributed that due various experiences and a strange childhood.

Out of curiosity I just made the wired AS (apparently) test after reading about it in a thread and it pricking my curiosity - I answered as honestly as I could - why not after all! - and the result I have been calculated as having is 33 - that's quite high no? it said on the webpage 32 was the border perhaps? Anyhow I am a bit surprised I wasn't expecting what seems like a relatively high number - perhaps you could help me out a bit and give me a better perspective of what it might mean, if you can... kinda of strange experience actually - I only arrived here yesterday and for a completely other reason than posting in a thread like this or taking a test.

Not really a libertarian trot no - I have issues with Trotsky - I liked the fact that Mandel, though an internationalist - made it clear towards the end of his life that he thought it was wrong to declare that other models and systems shouldn't exist - that it was essentially bad for international socialism(of which I am not) to preclude difference and that cohesion was possible - other than with fascism obviously - he was decried for it - nevertheless he is still very widely regarded Apparently he was very optimistic of our species' potential - some said this was a flaw as well as a virtue - I think in times such as these it is a very generous and importance belief to hold and so I respect him for it. I am still reading theory by him - I don't presume to be an expert on his 'current'.

An issue with libertarianism and free markets for me would be the hush hush issue of corporate personhood or whatever other expressions are employed to pronounce it.. it seems against the interests of the population ultimately.

If you think a solid argument might persuade you maybe it is worth the effort, although I am not 'preaching' to the converted or otherwise - not a preacher

libertarianism - I like the anarcho capitalist model of the prefederalised American states - it worked and yes the Austrian school - the mainstream theoreticians don't really seem to be making much of good job of things right now tbh..

printing and throwing money after monies into institutions propped up on toxic assets in the magnitude of trillions still seems to me not only to be folly but absolute insanity - not to mention duplicity - who will it be that suffer when it goes belly up? not the banking cartels, that's for sure. I am against that sort of thing.

Perhaps we will broach the subject of possible organisations of conspirators involved in 911 after all.let's see - however it is very late here now and I am equally tired as it is late. If you can provide any insights tyo that test result I would appreciate it - I find it a bit shocking to be honest - sorry if that sounds odd - I just didn't expect it - I'd do the test again tomorrow but I imagine I would just get more or less the same result as I tried to complete it as honestly as possible. What are autistic people like anyhow - you have mentioned a few couple of times about how this web forum is 'different' than how things usually - I could say exactly the same about the 'conspiracy' forum tbh.

anyway, good night. cheers


squibs are used in demolition..

Actually, 9/11 was neither terrorists nor the government. In fact, it may have been perpetrated by a group of radicalized architecture enthusiasts who wanted to rid lower Manhattan of the World Trade Center on aesthetic grounds.

Yes, I'm joking

I watched the first two, but I have trouble watching programs for very long unless it is something I am very interested...and most times not even then. I may watch more later.

A true skeptic is skeptical of others that claim to be skeptics.

An objective review of the various sources of information available cannot possibly conclude that two planes did not hit the towers that day. Further, it cannot conclude that the buildings fell in a controlled demolition. The videos that purport such are riddled with inaccuracies, blatant manipulation and reek of propaganda-laced fear-mongering.

There are questions to be asked, but they do not involve a conspiracy, they involve ineptitude and a President unwilling to adhere to the advice of his intelligence assets.

Further, the OP does himself no favors by adopting a tone of opposition right off the bat. You come from a place that would ban us flamers? What you mean to say is, "I belong to a dogmatic conspiracy organization that does not accept any dissenting voices within it's rank." Pathetic.

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