The tea party protests, your opinion please...

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The Tea Party Protests Are...
Awesome! 41%  41%  [ 13 ]
Not Awesome! 28%  28%  [ 9 ]
A Little Awesome! 19%  19%  [ 6 ]
WTF Are You Talking About? 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 32

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18 Apr 2009, 10:47 pm

dude i dont even know where to begin, your unbelievable. nobody is loosing there rights, guns arent being taken away, and im pretty shure almost all forms of any kind of torture is illegal. and even if it isnt im not suprised, the united states is far more ethical im shure than just about 99% of planet earth. so cry me a freaking river, nobodys loosing rights. again if its so bad here maybe lebanon is a better solution. americans are fat, lazy, and self-centerd. thats why there having these protests, its all about me, me, me, and i, i, i. dafy duck style. i swear if everything was honkydory they'd still find something to gripe about :lol:

making drugs legal, isnt going to give some dopehead a sudden revelation that he should quit. hes just gonna fall deeper in addiction, i really dont know where your getting your facts from but there laughable at best. what im saying is if you make drugs legal, more people will do them. nobody plays by the rules. thats why we have them, dar. dar. dar. and making drugs legal will destroy alot more peoples lives, and others. get real! a guy hooked on something isnt gonna say, op well im being treated with dignity and respect so when i turn in my neddles i think today i'll get clean! thats gotta be the funniest thing ive ever heard in my life. i clearly understand the situation we are in. people walk around too much with a sore coochie all the time griping and complaining about just about everything. instead of apperchiating what they got. nothing is perfect, and i got news for ya, nothing will ever be perfect.

our country is the best thing going on this planet so if its so awful here go live somewhere else. because i seriosuly doubt drugs will ever be legal in this country. and on a serious note my father is a cokehead. ive seen what drugs do to you, your family and the community. you gotta be out of your mind wanting them to be legal



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18 Apr 2009, 10:48 pm

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I don't like the federal income tax either, but a federal sales tax would also have some bad flaws.

I don't like any taxes, but if we have a government we have to pay for it.

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- Black market traders and illegal immigrants escape from it
- Have you seen income tax forms!? They're absolutely ridiculous!

Black market traders also will avoid a sales tax. And I used to work for a business that systematically evaded sales tax. The grotesque complexity of our tax system is not simply because it is an income tax, but because we have made it too convoluted. It would not be terribly complicated to have, say, a universal 25% tax on all income, or even to have a progressive tax rate with brackets or some other scaling of a progressive tax. What makes the system messy is all of the bizarre tax exemptions and other loopholes.

I like Milton Friedman's "negative income tax" idea. It could simultaneously simplify the tax code and supplant current welfare systems.


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19 Apr 2009, 1:07 am

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nobody is loosing there rights


Wrong.

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and im pretty shure almost all forms of any kind of torture is illegal


Wrong and naive.

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the united states is far more ethical im shure than just about 99% of planet earth


Naivety taken to a new level.

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again if its so bad here maybe lebanon is a better solution


Logical fallacy.

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americans are fat, lazy, and self-centerd. thats why there having these protests


Logical fallacy. (First part is true, but it does not follow)

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making drugs legal, isnt going to give some dopehead a sudden revelation that he should quit. hes just gonna fall deeper in addiction


Misunderstanding. It is not making drugs legal that would increase the number of those that got off drugs, it's the general sense that they are people with value, which is not how they are treated now. It is that punitive measures may actually encourage continued use, whereas educational and preventative measures would encourage people to get off the drugs.

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i really dont know where your getting your facts from but there laughable at best


Peer-reviewed journals, specifically in the realm of Sociology. There is an element where it is my opinion (and that of esteemed researchers) as opposed to a fact, but that is merely because no country has properly implemented the legalization of all drugs. If you really want somewhere to start, look for all the testimony coming from those who enforce the war on drugs, you will find many accounts of people who would know better than you or I that the war on drugs is a joke.

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what im saying is if you make drugs legal, more people will do them


Just plain wrong.

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nobody plays by the rules. thats why we have them


That doesn't even make sense.

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making drugs legal will destroy alot more peoples lives


The complete opposite of the truth. In fact, this statement is offensive, considering the number of lives ruined daily by the war on drugs.

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a guy hooked on something isnt gonna say, op well im being treated with dignity and respect so when i turn in my neddles i think today i'll get clean


Actually, that's exactly what happens. Look up the legal injection sites in Canada.

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thats gotta be the funniest thing ive ever heard in my life


Then I pity your sense of humor.

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i clearly understand the situation we are in


No, you clearly don't. In fact, I'd go so far as to say you've got it completely backwards.

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our country is the best thing going on this planet


Arrogant assumption.

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so if its so awful here go live somewhere else


Repeated arrogant logical fallacy.

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and on a serious note my father is a cokehead


The truth comes out. While I am sympathetic, it is clear to me that your emotion regarding this is clouding what little judgmental capabilities you have.

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ive seen what drugs do to you, your family and the community. you gotta be out of your mind wanting them to be legal


I've seen it to, and that is precisely WHY I want them legal.

Suffice to say you're not very good at this and I suggest you cut your losses now. I can continue to wreck your weak logic if you'd like though.



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19 Apr 2009, 1:13 am

vibrant, it is fooloish and naive to think legalizing all drugs is good! srsly, think this one through! It will make people MORE addicted! further more, if you bother to interview the majority of the ppl at the protest, you will discover they know very little about history. Trust me, its better right now then it was in 1770.


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19 Apr 2009, 1:23 am

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vibrant, it is fooloish and naive to think legalizing all drugs is good


Ugh. The opposite of this is true.

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srsly, think this one through!


I have, more than you or the other guy. If one is intelligent, and does the proper research, and has a proper understanding of human psychology, there is only one conclusion you can logically reach. All drugs should be legal. Not just in a sense of personal liberty, but in a sense of the greater good. Those that take your position are either unintelligent, have not done the proper research, do not have a proper understanding of human psychology or have some emotional disposition such as the other guy.

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It will make people MORE addicted


It really doesn't matter how many times you guys say this, it's just simply untrue.

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further more, if you bother to interview the majority of the ppl at the protest, you will discover they know very little about history


Did you go and interview everyone? No? Then it is an arrogant assumption. While I would actually agree with this *opinion*, you cannot judge the intellect of some individuals based on the lack of intellect of other individuals. It's just intellectually dishonest.

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Trust me, its better right now then it was in 1770.


That is an opinion and you need to state it as such. There are multiple layers to this statement and you're ignoring it's complexity makes me not want to hash it out for you.



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19 Apr 2009, 1:32 am

vibrant, ugh, think for a sec, human nature being what it is, we will nationally OD. Secondly, if this was such a travesty we live in, then how come we have basic rights? If one legalizes, say MDMA, then I promise you, young kids will get it! Its easy enough for underage kids to get alcohol, what happens when they get X? I doubt you factored in human nature and idoiticy and tis you who is mornic for adopting this position! Have you ever seen the damage a meth explosion yields? research that and then tell me it should be legal!


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think for a sec, human nature being what it is, we will nationally OD


I'm not sure what you're getting at. Legalizing and specifically *regulating* drugs would actually result in far less ODs because the purity would be known and any chemicals used to "stomp on" (de-purify) the drugs would be known. Most ODs occur because the user is unaware of the purity or chemicals used to stomp on the drug.

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Secondly, if this was such a travesty we live in, then how come we have basic rights?


Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Should we merely be content to be "a little bit free?" No! You are either free or you are not.

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If one legalizes, say MDMA, then I promise you, young kids will get it!


They already get it.

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Its easy enough for underage kids to get alcohol, what happens when they get X?


It's easier for underage kids to get drugs than alcohol.

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I doubt you factored in human nature and idoiticy and tis you who is mornic for adopting this position!


The opposite of this is true. It is *because* I have considered all these factors that I am for the legalization of all drugs.

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Have you ever seen the damage a meth explosion yields? research that and then tell me it should be legal!


Yes. I have researched meth use extensively. It should be legal. People shouldn't use it, but clearly having it illegal is not keep them from doing so.



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19 Apr 2009, 3:13 pm

i just watched glenn beck at the alamo, talk about a hilarious display of public spectacle. people holding flags up with a arm cutoff? "we'd rather cut off our right arms than live in tyranny" my goodness. you would think this was iran we are living in. of course they had the ted, white and nugent there. and the irony of it all was when glenn asked him, "Well where was the tea party, for the last 8 years?" teds answer.
"its gotten this bad, and we cant take it anymore" bwahahaha.

shure nuge. like we all believe that, :roll:



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20 Apr 2009, 4:21 pm

LOL - it is funny to listen to conservatives whine about how actors and musicians are not qualified to speak about issues ... and then they go wild cheering when conservative B-list celebs like Ted Nugent or Chuck Norris stand on a soap box to speak about some issue!


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20 Apr 2009, 4:30 pm

teabagging. :lol:

ted nugent and chuck norris are both dopes, apparently ted isnt a conservative but rather a independent acting like a conservative :?:

either way those tea partys made my day. yeah its sooo horrible living here in the usa especially when your horse isnt in office :lol: :lol:



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20 Apr 2009, 4:41 pm

As john stewart said, "I think you are confusing tyranny with losing".



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20 Apr 2009, 6:01 pm

I'm happy to see people on the right doing something constructive and letting their voices be heard in a peaceful manner, since for years the left has seemed to have a monopoly on the protest market. As I've said elsewhere, I think that because of the demographics of politics, with young people tending to skew left, that lefty issues often get more media exposure through things like protesting because the people who hold those view are more likely to be passionate about them. I haven't heard any reports of violence or property damage from any of the Tea Party events, in and of itself something that distinguishes them from many lefty demonstrations (I'm a Seattleite, I was here for WTO in '99). I sort of wish I'd gone, but protesting really isn't my style and I don't really pay much in the way of taxes anyway. I am happy however that this provides yet another warning to Obama and Co to stay away from things like guns, lest they see a repeat of '94 when the supporters of the AWB had their own personal Night of the Sicilian Vespers and the Dems lost control of congress for over a decade, and Al Gore couldn't even win his own state in 2000 because of his voting record.


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20 Apr 2009, 7:56 pm

Dox47 wrote:
I haven't heard any reports of violence or property damage from any of the Tea Party events, in and of itself something that distinguishes them from many lefty demonstrations (I'm a Seattleite, I was here for WTO in '99).


It also distinguishes today's tea parties distinctly from the Boston Tea party.

I read an interview with a Seattle City Council member or some such - he was eating dinner at a restaurant in his suit and tie and heard a commotion - he went out on the sidewalk to investigate the commotion ... a couple of cops knocked him over and beat him.



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20 Apr 2009, 8:11 pm

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I read an interview with a Seattle City Council member or some such - he was eating dinner at a restaurant in his suit and tie and heard a commotion - he went out on the sidewalk to investigate the commotion ... a couple of cops knocked him over and beat him.


You can't really blame them for that, I'd beat those cocksuckers too if I had the chance. Now if it had been (Seattle Mayor) Gregg Nickels, then I'd be pissed that they didn't finish him off when they had the chance...


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20 Apr 2009, 9:09 pm

The majority of the protesters fall into the tax break bracket of Obama, so they aren't getting taxed like they were 8 years ago. The only people whose taxes have risen due to Obama are the people making over a quarter million. So where were these people 8 years ago?


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20 Apr 2009, 9:49 pm

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As john stewart said, "I think you are confusing tyranny with losing".


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