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claire-333
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25 Apr 2009, 11:56 am

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I have known and respected all sorts of people from all sorts of ethnic and racial backgrounds all my life and never had any feeling about or cause to treat them other than as simply other people. Perhaps I am unusual.
I have always hoped this might be true and possible in people, but if it is, then I am left with the question of how to process those who are not.



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25 Apr 2009, 5:38 pm

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Whenever I meet someone, I tell them to roll their tongue. If they can roll their tongue, I will recognize them as someone of my own kind, therefore somebody I can trust, and I will salute them. If they can't roll their tongue, I will recognize them as sub-human, lazy and mean and not of my kind, and I will knock them unconscious and run away screaming.


"Our own kind" or "Our sort of people" refers to cultural characteristics as much as it does to superficial inherited biological characteristics. Which is why we tend to mate with people who speak our language and who adhere to the same or similar customs. Culture probably has more to do with assortive aspects of mating than superficial racial characteristics such as hair color, skin color or eye shape. In general (although not always) like prefers like.

That is why most mating takes place (by and large) within economic classes and nationalities. The cultural similarity is there and the opportunity to meet and mate is largely within one's own peer group, cultural group or economic class.

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25 Apr 2009, 10:26 pm

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That is why most mating takes place (by and large) within economic classes

This is probably the best out of context sentence I've seen today if you just add an s to economic. 8O


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25 Apr 2009, 10:50 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Whenever I meet someone, I tell them to roll their tongue. If they can roll their tongue, I will recognize them as someone of my own kind, therefore somebody I can trust, and I will salute them. If they can't roll their tongue, I will recognize them as sub-human, lazy and mean and not of my kind, and I will knock them unconscious and run away screaming.


"Our own kind" or "Our sort of people" refers to cultural characteristics as much as it does to superficial inherited biological characteristics. Which is why we tend to mate with people who speak our language and who adhere to the same or similar customs. Culture probably has more to do with assortive aspects of mating than superficial racial characteristics such as hair color, skin color or eye shape. In general (although not always) like prefers like.

That is why most mating takes place (by and large) within economic classes and nationalities. The cultural similarity is there and the opportunity to meet and mate is largely within one's own peer group, cultural group or economic class.

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There is no doubt some truth in this on a statistical basis. I know that Jews tend to marry Jews to a certain extent and frequently require outsiders to convert to Judaism on marriage. There has been some distress noted amongst Jews about marriages outside the faith. They refer to each other as MOT (member of the tribe). I am reasonably sure that Catholics and other religious faiths have the same tendencies. But as someone probably an AS I have never identified myself with any group since I do not cling to nor identify myself even with humanity any more than as an individual animal. I find myself in immediate sympathy with dogs and cats and birds and any other living thing much more easily than with other humans who are far less forthcoming than the average animal. I grew up in New York out of a family that originally was Jewish on both sides but whatever close friends I have made (and they are few in number) have been Jewish, Arab, black, white, Chinese, Japanese, Israeli, Asian Indian, and so forth and I have never considered them otherwise than as an Earth species nor was there ever any negative aspect to their origins or associations. I have been satisfactorily married to a Finn for almost half a century and find Finland a place equally if not more acceptable than my native New York. (The rest of the USA with its weird religious fundamentalists and almost religious nationalism strikes me as odd as some of the Taliban controlled countries). Perhaps AS people are really different. I don't know. I do know that I certainly am.



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26 Apr 2009, 8:22 am

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Perhaps AS people are really different.
I think this might be a factor, which is why I was very interested to get a response here. It is possible this might be related to things like face blindness, like pandd said. I worked with a woman for over a year and never noticed she was missing two fingers until she pointed it out to me, but I could draw a very detailed picture of her workspace and the items in it. But rather than a trait of AS, I thought it might also possibly be related to the social isolation which comes along with it. I have noticed deaf people seem to be content with those who would take the time to be nice to them and communicate with them regardless of race. Which would also raise the question...Is it even possible for a blind person to be racist?



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27 Apr 2009, 5:17 pm

Sorry to come so late to the conversation claire although I seem to recognise the person in your original post :wink:

Racism is a learned experience, I am not racist, never have been racist and never will be racist. I think there is a major difference between racism and caution directed to a culture that you have a limited knowledge of. If I am bigoted it is towards groups that I do not like eg Religions, Capitalists even then the bigotry is aimed at the whole group and generally not the individual.

As I said to you before you have had some pretty nasty experiences due to your ethnicity and given those experiences it is hardly surprising that you get the s**ts with whole groups. As far as I remember you do not take this to an individual level?


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28 Apr 2009, 12:46 pm

The day will come when humanity will cease to discriminate its own kind, but it is likely that we will have to face danger of enormous proportions for that to happen. <.< Being humanitarian, i'd rather think of myself and everyone as people of the Earth ~.~ Which is why i am all for some alien invasion to make us work together towards a common goal <.< (Well, it doesn't have to be an alien specie, but at the very least it would be taken more seriously ^.- )



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28 Apr 2009, 1:02 pm

Any race of aliens sharp enough to cross interstellar space most likely would be incredibly capable. There is a reasonable chance they might find us useful as domestic animals or pets or, considering how many of us there are, a food supply. It is interesting that all the aliens depicted in films are frightful because of their claws or teeth or size and musculature. The latest version of "The Day th Earth Stood Still" shows a superior individual but it's power lies in massive destructive force. I have not seen any aliens merely so intellectually powerful that humans would be overpowered merely by their presence. That would be a real possibility and it is more frightful to me than any interstellar dinosaur.



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28 Apr 2009, 1:14 pm

When i meant alien, i meant it as the definition says, it doesn't have to be reptilian or whatever. <.<



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28 Apr 2009, 3:14 pm

Sand wrote:
Any race of aliens sharp enough to cross interstellar space most likely would be incredibly capable. There is a reasonable chance they might find us useful as domestic animals or pets or, considering how many of us there are, a food supply. It is interesting that all the aliens depicted in films are frightful because of their claws or teeth or size and musculature. The latest version of "The Day th Earth Stood Still" shows a superior individual but it's power lies in massive destructive force. I have not seen any aliens merely so intellectually powerful that humans would be overpowered merely by their presence. That would be a real possibility and it is more frightful to me than any interstellar dinosaur.



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28 Apr 2009, 6:33 pm

:lol: Ahhhh...thank you all for wrapping this thread up on such a lighthearted note. It gives me great hopes for the future...to have a dream...where we are all equally united as one race, the human race, against the aliens who would look at us and think...mmmmm bacon.



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29 Apr 2009, 3:59 am

claire333 wrote:
:lol: Ahhhh...thank you all for wrapping this thread up on such a lighthearted note. It gives me great hopes for the future...to have a dream...where we are all equally united as one race, the human race, against the aliens who would look at us and think...mmmmm bacon.


BACON ! ! I always thought we tasted like chicken, jeez I'll have to change my baby recipe 8O


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