How can someone with Aspergers be left-wing?

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a)you are arguing with more than one person
b)the existence of monopolies on some products does not preclude overabundance of selection on other products

Don't you love it when people simply call things logical without providing any semblance of an argument?

It's almost as much fun as when they say things are just common sense. As though such a sense, if it existed, could be regarded as having any merit whatsoever.

"logical" means makes some kind of sense.

ruveyn

Q: How can someone with Aspergers be left-wing?

A: The same reason why lots of girls don't like to play with dolls or wear dresses. Personal beliefs aren't just decided from what you're born with. That's what makes us human beings unique.

That's true, but you still have to acknowledge the fact that people will naturally lean towards things. Since all the s**t we get for AS is more likely to make us feel like things are beyond control, the knee jerk reaction would be to be left wing.

I'm all about self-sufficiency, independence, and freedom though so I lean towards the right. btw freedom isn't some fuzzy wuzzy word I'm pulling out of my ass. I believe it's worth more than security and self-sufficiency is what makes us secure in our freedom.

I am not sure about your logic. I don't think that a support for so-called "left wing" politics is a knee-jerk reaction to helplessness. I think that it is entirely possible to make a completely reasoned decision that the politics of the left are the best approach to well-ordering a society.



I don't believe that the left is inconsistent with self-sufficiency, independence or freedom. What I believe the left does do is ensure that the greatest number of citizens can achieve these, while imposing as reasonable burden as possible on citizens, generally.

Yes, money comes out of my pocket, and some goes into the pocket of people who are receiving state supported benefit. To me, this is the cost that I, as a self-sufficient, independent and free member of this society must pay to ensure a continuance of the peace, order and good government that I have the privilege of enjoying.

Every person must eat, must be clothed and must sleep. Those who cannot provide for these things through their own labour will provide for them by whatever means are available to them. The man who steals a loaf of bread to feed himself is, indeed, a thief. But his thievery is as much an indictment of the society that fails to provide him with the means to buy his food as it is a crime.

At the end of the day, we should all be reaching our political views through a process of reasoned inquiry and deliberation. Each of us will bring different values, experiences and needs to that process, and it is only to be expected that we will reach different conclusions as a result. Those differences do not invalidate those views that differ from our own, but should serve, rather, to enrich them.

The partisanship that dismisses the right as, "fascists," and the left as, "socialists," has no place in a contemporary, literate political culture. We are capable of better, and we are capable of encouraging better from our fellow citizens.

Yeah there are those who thought long and hard about it and came to the conclusion that left-wing ideology is the most reasonable way to run society. But that's forethought, a knee jerk reaction is more of an unchecked tendency. If we leave our views unchecked, Aspies are more likely to lean towards the left. That's what I'm trying to say. Just like how people born with a silver spoon in their mouth are more likely to have a sense of entitlement if left unchecked.

Yeah true, corny straw men arguments labeling people as further right or left then they actually are is f*****g corny. And I agree that political views should be thought out rather than being unchecked knee jerks. I'm not saying self-sufficiency, freedom, and independence are mutually exclusive to the left. It's a political spectrum and not political poles, so it leans towards collectivism rather than it being either collectivism OR individualism.

I'd much rather be given the autonomy to donate than take on a bigger tax burden

What's not so cut and dried is that it's not just ideally autonomy, but autonomy in a practical sense. Say I'm starting a business and I'm struggling. That isn't the time for me to give to others since I have problems of my own to take care of. But once I do make progress and get to a position where I can easily support myself, then I can start giving to others.

Taxes are bureaucratic in nature, so it takes away my autonomy. I need autonomy in order to adapt to my own situation. The government can only adapt on a macromanagement scale, but I need to be free to adapt on a micromanagement scale according to my unique circumstances.

You're not wrong, but I am struck by the example of Ebenezer Scrooge. In a world in which the needs of the helpless are attended to by charity, it penalizes the generous and rewards the greedy. Where each is taxed on a progressive scale--so that those will little income, or businesses starting out with little profit pay proportionally less than those whose incomes or profits provide greater capacity to give--then withholding is less incentivized (and by extraction, giving is less disincentivized).

It's so easy when you can look at things from a safe distance in your ivory tower. I don't think it's knee-jerk for people living on the very edge due to whatever issues they may have to balk at your need for "autonomy" at the expense of their very existence. Public services for helping aspies find suitable employment, treatment for mental health issues like anxiety and depression, etc. are atrocious to non-existent. Of course I've never known a right-winger to care. You guys just won't get it, as long as you've got yours. It's also annoying how people on the right think the people who fervently oppose their views are all snobby urbanite elitists who like to get worked up and argue for the sake of arguing.