Why is there so much liberal hate?

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More to the point, what is government? It is a human construct that US citizens have created through a democratic process over the course of over two-hundred years. One cannot separate the government from the citizens of a country where a democratic process is involved and citizens take an active part in creating that government. All citizens are part of the government, whether they actively participate or not, so when we point our fingers toward the government we point them toward ourselves. All US citizens are reliant on the government for survival, there is no question about that because they are part of that government.

The only way to escape the reliance on US government as a US citizen, is to leave and find reliance on another society with a different governing methodology. Or move to somewhere where there is no civilization or cultural byproducts to assist one in life, and see how that works out, when one competes with and relies on the governing force that most animals answer to, nature.

All animals come into the world dependent on the governing forces of nature, and all leave the same way. Any type of perceived control over this is egocentric illusion. Human constructs of government, society, and culture, provide the mainstay of that illusion for most human beings.

Interesting that one would complain about a security blanket, that separates them from the chaos of reality. Regardless if it is the human constructs governing a society like the US, or the human constructs governing a primitive society like the San Bushmen, humans are reliant on the human constructs of those governing forces, not only for subsistence but for perceived order, and in part, sanity.

Government is a reality that all humans are reliant on, whether it the US governing forces, the San Bushman governing forces, or the governing forces of nature. There is no way out of it alive. One can be thankful to live reliant upon the present governing forces as opposed to the governing forces that our ancestors answered to, as a mainstay per their reality, for millions of years; nature. They didn't get a hot shower, or a pot to piss in, literally. Nor, do significant portions of humans livings in the world today, who don't have the benefit of the governing forces in the US and other developed countries.

When one wishes US government would go away, so people could be independent from it, they are in part, wishing for existence in a developing country. That could be arranged, considering there are already places in the world, like that. Would likely be best, to enjoy our continuing illusion of what comfort we can gain now through our governing forces, which include the hot shower and pot to piss in. Just two of thousands of benefits provided by governing forces in the US: Government funded Public Water systems, and sewer systems. Don't forget though, one is part of that government when one shares in the government required responsibilities in providing that service to others, through taxes, one method used per our particular human construct of governing forces, that we call the US government.

One could be proud to support health care reform through paying whatever taxes or fees are required since it is part of the same governing force that provides a hot shower and a pot to piss in. Not to mention that toilet paper is a rather new phenomenon in human history, another benefit of US governing forces that all citizens are part of. It would be neither affordable or accessible for most without the distribution of goods provided by the avenue of federal subsidized interstate road systems.

Government is an all pervasive ally, that too many take for granted. Easier to appreciate when one is living naked in the woods.

Like Sending our jobs over seas.

But they should not try to dictate our lives.

If you drive, use electricity, have your trash collected, have running water that isn't being pumped directly from an artesian well, then you are relying on the government. You pay taxes and your tax dollars are used to support the infrastructure that ALL of us ultimately depend on. If you TRULY want to be self-reliant, follow the example of Chris McCandless from Into the wild and try to "live off the land". You're so dense sometimes, brah.


Libertarians in general seem to be either completely delusional, or kinda stupid in some regard. Their beliefs are just *that* far removed form the reality of this world.

Isn't it more like the gov't relies upon the tax payer to fund those services, than the tax payer relying on the gov't to provide them? After all, the tax payer could (in theory) choose to purchase those services elsewhere, but the gov't only has one source of tax revenue: the citizens.

Isn't it more like the gov't relies upon the tax payer to fund those services, than the tax payer relying on the gov't to provide them? After all, the tax payer could (in theory) choose to purchase those services elsewhere, but the gov't only has one source of tax revenue: the citizens.

While a decent enough point, I feel it misses the thrust of the argument: the government provides these services as an ostensibly objective manifestation of the social contract we all live under. Government facilitates, with the main thrust of the argument being that there is no survival in modern society without such facilitation unless you choose to live in the wild as a hermit.