26 Feb 2021, 6:01 pm
ironpony wrote:
Yeah it seems that way, which is why it all feels hypocritical to me. I feel that when it comes to politics, that hypocrisy is the biggest issue. If the word hypocrite was used as much as the term 'sexist' or 'racist', that would be really productive and progressive in politics I think.
There is more hypocrisy, on both sides of the political divide, than you can shake a stick at.
26 Feb 2021, 6:07 pm
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26 Feb 2021, 6:15 pm
Pepe wrote:
There is more hypocrisy, on both sides of the political divide, than you can shake a stick at.
You don't think that there is hypocrisy in the 'centre' either?
26 Feb 2021, 6:17 pm
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26 Feb 2021, 6:44 pm
slam_thunderhide wrote:
People might refer to Gina Carano's sacking as "cancel culture", but it's just a high-profile example of what's been going on in the US for years and years. It's not a particularly good example, but it is an example.
Ordinary people, on both the right and left, have been losing their jobs in the US over their political opinions for years.
People who keep saying "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" or "free speech doesn't mean freedom to be an a**hole" or "private companies can do what they want" just don't seem to get it.
Do you really want to live in a society where ordinary people (factory workers, teachers, doctors, store clerks etc) can lose their livelihoods for expressing their political opinions (be they a right-winger supporting immigration restriction or a left-winger supporting BDS, for example)? Even for expressing those opinions outside of work?
If you can't express your political opinions without fear of losing your livelihood, then the first amendment is virtually worthless.
Ordinary people, on both the right and left, have been losing their jobs in the US over their political opinions for years.
People who keep saying "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" or "free speech doesn't mean freedom to be an a**hole" or "private companies can do what they want" just don't seem to get it.
Do you really want to live in a society where ordinary people (factory workers, teachers, doctors, store clerks etc) can lose their livelihoods for expressing their political opinions (be they a right-winger supporting immigration restriction or a left-winger supporting BDS, for example)? Even for expressing those opinions outside of work?
If you can't express your political opinions without fear of losing your livelihood, then the first amendment is virtually worthless.
In Nazi Germany, you could have ended up in a concentration camp.
"Are we there yet?"
Not quite.
[hypobolic joke]I think it is *so* ironic that freedom of speech is being whittled away in the land of, well, the epitome of freedom of speech.
26 Feb 2021, 6:45 pm
ironpony wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
It just seems that cancel culture is going too far though. For example, there are now calls to in cancel culture to now cancel Henry Cavill because he and Gina Carano dated at one point, before this whole incident. I think that is ridiculous and going too far.
Please note the highlighted.
Yes I understand they are just calls, but Hollywood is stupid enough to listen, since they listened for calls for Carano, who says they will not listen again now.
I was supporting your point of view.
Yes, cancel culture, and many of the people who embrace it, is an abomination.
26 Feb 2021, 6:54 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
I just wish we would get over this garbage.....
And move on to something else.
And move on to something else.
Agreed.
kraftiekortie wrote:
I wonder what would have happened had McCain had became President, rather than Trump. I probably wouldn't have minded McCain at all.
(by the way, I'm a registered Independent, rather than a Democrat).
(by the way, I'm a registered Independent, rather than a Democrat).
I am an independent, also.
I don't vote for any of the major conservative parties, and definitely not Labor.
The greens?
Pfft.
Do I look that sanctimoniously silly?
Last time I didn't vote for any party bc I was so disgusted by the lot of them.
"A pox on *all* their houses."
26 Feb 2021, 7:37 pm
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26 Feb 2021, 8:12 pm
Pepe wrote:
i)Antifa members aren't 'progressives'/lefties?
News to me.
News to me.
That's a red herring Pepe. Antifa members are pro-gun and most lefties aren't pro-gun. Being anti-fascist is one thing but arming yourself only opens yourself up to getting labelled or worse. Most of us (including me) subscribe to Gandhi's non-violent protest. Non-violence means not destroying public property or carrying arms. Because leftwing movements tend to be inclusionary we are a broad church and are infiltrated in protests by people who have other motives.
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ii) Are you saying you think it reasonable to assault someone physically because you are being provoked?
Andy Ngo is a weasel. I feel like smashing his face when I hear him speak (but of course I adhere to the non-violence mantra
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